Re: Weird lag in build/buy mode and sometimes in Live Mode too

I found that the more I played with the fast forward on, the sooner the bug would surface. And again using the "..." was the only thing that would bring my FPS back up to 60. Has anyone else noticed that as well?

All i can see is that everything seems alright on the new map coming with eco pack. But on others households it's random. Some don't suffer from the fps drops in build mode, some do suffer from it. It's really bad in San Myshuno for exemple. 

I've tried moving my TS4 folder to let the game create a fresh one w/o CC inside with new save but still the same issue. I'm trying to repair the game but i don't have much hope, it really feels like a bug introduced with the new patch/eco pack cause i don't remember having this issue before :/

yes, I'm noticing that @MadPeachyTV But the problem is, it sometimes weill introduce itself during normal gameplay too. 

It's really frustrating that this is still happening.  I really don't know what could cause this.

It's inexcusable that this is happening for so many players who have invested money in this game.

I do notice it happens during normal gameplay as well 100%, for me it just seems to happen sooner, the more I'm using the fast forward function. I agree it is super frustrating! And I hope we can get a patch sooner than later.

Do you guys have this problem on every household or just some ? (if some: which one?) I only tried on original ones created by the game. 

So far its has been all my save files, even my clean user folder save i created yesterday. 

I do guess it's a game problem if more than 1 has this issue. It's very curious that these huge fps drops appear whenever we toggle between build and live mode, and most of the time clicking on the menu makes the fps back to normal.

Guess all we can hope is a patch fixing this >.<

Yeah, I've got this on every save file I make too.

It has to be something in the game's files if we all have this indeed.

I click on the three dots it goes away.

I click on Build mode, it appears. I go to live mode, it's sometimes still there (when I toggle between them) and then click on the three dots to relieve the stress again.

It's SO weird, because I don't have any of this with The Witcher 3, The Sims 3, The Sims 2, etc. 

I find it strange that some houses have this problem, and some don't. Like the same appartement in San Myshuno on every save will have this problem but the container on eco map is just fine??? 

I fully uninstalled the game and i did a defrag on my hdd. Now i'm gonna install the base game and try it like that. Then I'll add more and more pack and see if one of them is the culprit.

EDIT 1 : I don't have any issue on the base game. Tested multiples houses, even the big ones. Steady 60fps build and live mode. 

I'm adding more packs now. I'll finish with Eco. 

EDIT 2: added get famous, FPS it's still steady. No bug yet.

EDIT 3: added city living ... the appartement always having the 15 fps issue in build more is alright now. I can't reproduce the bug anymore ... seems like this bug is coming with eco pack then? I'll keep adding more packs

EDIT 4: added all packs except eco, still can't see the bug. I'm adding eco now, let's see...

EDIT 5: I made a new save with all pack except eco and i couldn't reproduce this bug. I installed eco pack and created a new save and bingo! Same bug back once i hit build mode. So it's definitely a bug coming with the eco pack. It took me the whole night to try it out but glad i found the culprit 🙂 ! Loads of house from others maps are concerned. So far the new map seems stable.

I hope the team will notice us and work on a patch asap! 

@oaana Im going to try this too and see if i can re create this!!

Ill let everyone know if its the same for me as well! 
Thanks for the idea! 

@oaana  It's interesting that adding Eco Lifestyle causes this particular issue.  I first heard of it happening long before the pack was released, so it's not the cause for everyone, but maybe there's something about having too many packs or a certain type of content in Build/Buy that grinds the game to a halt.

If you're interested in experimenting a bit more, could you try disabling all of your packs except Eco Lifestyle?  You don't have to uninstall anything; just instruct Origin not to load the other packs.  Here's how:

https://sims4.crinrict.com/eng/2017/03/disable-single-packs/

@JeanVW @Gummingtons and @MadPeachyTV  I'd be interested to know whether this makes a difference for you as well.  You can disable any pack(s) you want through Origin (see the above link).  Let me know whether it makes a difference.

Not sure if that makes a difference. I've had this problem long before Eco Lifestyle.

But however, in a whim I decided to downgrade my graphics driver to one before DCH was introduced to Nvidia (I use a GTX 1060, with 6GB memory). 

The version I'm using is 398.36 

I simply googled for what the best version of a driver could be for my specific graphics card. As of date, I've yet to reproduce the problem. I've not played for longer at the moment, but will do so this afternoon (it's 1:11 PM here at time of writing).

So if you have an NVIDIA card, try using this driver version. I did the following:

- downloaded this driver version

- downloaded DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller from Wagnard)

- completely shut off my internet (turn off Wi Fi and pull out the Ethernet cord)

- install DDU and via DDU (in safe mode) delete the current driver

- When installing the new driver (after a reboot), install only graphics driver and physx (also, do a clean install)

It may very well have been that the drivers I had (which were 4xx.xx and up) messed Sims 4 up for some reason.

But who knows. 

@puzzlezaddict Hello and thanks for your message. So I followed your link and First i disabled eco and I couldn't find the bug, I tried multiples household and nada.

But after I disabled all my packs except eco and city living (cause usually the bug arrives on another maps than the eco one and, once again, lag in build and live mode. Sometimes clicking on the menu resolves it, sometimes not. Sometimes i have to reload the household to make the fps smothers otherwise it's locked under 20fps. 

It feels like everytime i charge a household for the first time I have the choppy fps in live and build move but if i go into the map and charge the household again, it's smooth like usual. I really have no idea what could cause. The funny part is ... when i load a household for the first time it's like 15 fps and when i go back on the map the fps stays 15 until i charge a household (one i'm already playing) and it fixes the fps. 

So for now I only find this bug annoying if i'm planning to play another household than the initial I created. I don't do this much, I usually stick with 1 i'm creating. But it's still kinda annoying so I hope a patch will eventually fix this issue 🙂

Unfortunately I cheered too fast. Still having the issue. 

I think it's the game handling it's memory not that well.

Its very frustrating. Nothing seems to help. Not even re-installing windows. 

Could it be something linked with the last patch (just before eco pack) mixed with the eco pack? Cause i don't remember having this issue before this patch and this expansion pack. 

@oaana  San Myshuno is known to produce fps drops on even the strongest systems, so it's not really a good test.  Still, an fps of 10 would be excessive.  I don't think you've posted a dxdiag yet though?  It would help to have that information.

https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/pc/how-to-gather-dxdiag-information/

@JeanVW  Are you willing to do some hardware monitoring?  If so, download hwinfo from here:

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

You don't need to install anything if you don't want to; just choose the Portable version, unzip it, and launch it from Downloads or wherever you want.  (If you would like to install, be sure to click the green button, not the orange one.)  Clean boot your computer, and don't open any other apps.  Disable your antivirus as well as any utilities (Afterburner, RGB software, etc.) that are somehow still running; you can look for them in the Task Manager.

Launch hwinfo, choose "sensors only," and click the icon that's a sheet of paper with a + sign to start logging.  Please also note the time you start the log.  Save the file to your desktop for easy access later.  Wait five minutes, then launch Sims 3 and play long enough to get a significant fps drop, or two if you can manage.  Even if you're able to restore fps through clicking the Options menu, please don't do that until you've let the game run with low fps for at least two minutes.

Please note each time (real world clock) the fps drops, so you can tell me how long it happened after logging.  I might be able to see the effects in the info log, but I'd rather know for sure when it happens.

Click the same button to end logging.  Then upload the log to a third-party free filehosting site and link it here.  Please leave it in .csv format, or if you use OneDrive to share, please compress it in .zip format instead.

@puzzlezaddict I need to wait 5 minutes before opening Sims 4, but I have to let the HWinfo run first?

@puzzlezaddict Hi! Yeah i know San Myshuno is known for bad fps but i also tried on every map and so far it's always the same thing. I load a household for the first time : choppy fps → I go back in the map (fps stays choppy even in the map) and i load this household again and everything is back to normal. It's only doing it with new household so far. 

Here is my DxDiag 🙂 thank you alot for you help !

@JeanVW  Yes, please let hwinfo run for five minutes.  It really doesn't need to be quite that long, but it shows your hardware usage while essentially idle, after the startup sequence has finished and before you add anything else.

@oaana  I didn't realize you'd tested with CL enabled but not playing in San Myshuno.  That's even more interesting that running all packs except for Eco Lifestyle are okay, and EL alone is okay, but EL and CL together causes an issue.  If you want to run an hwinfo log too, please do, and I'll take a look.  You can just run it while you're playing normally if you want; as long as I know where the lag is in the info log, that's all I need.

@puzzlezaddict 

I've tried running ONLY eco pack and the bug still appeared. If I load a premade household in the eco map i will have this fps drops until I got back in the map and load the household again. So I do assume only EP is the culprit. 

https://filebin.net/rwge32gx8ojhwcls

Here is my logfile

I let it run for 5 minutes before starting Sims 4.

During play (at the time of writing) the lag began at 1:13PM when I initiated Build mode to produce the lag.

hey everyone!

So i noticed there was a patch today for the game, has anyone tried playing yet to see if the lag issue was fixed?

@MadPeachyTV The patch was for another issue with the game. My fps still drops whenever I try to play with a new household. It's funny cause if I'm playing with the family I created everything is fine but if i'm trying to join another household of npc it's gonna be 15 fps until i exit in the world and join this family again. As soon as the household is played once, it's fine. (need to have the little green icon on the map)

Do you suffer from the same issue? Could you try to join a household, switch between build and live mode, exit on map and join again and see if the issue goes away? (you can try switching between build and live mode again usually it's fine for me!) You can try on the big houses in the new map for exemple. Tried it on other map aswell like Brindleton Bay.