Re: Stealth Helicopters Season 1

@protoman23I use the soflam and hardly any one takes advantage of it. As soon as i lock on they release counter measures and fly off somewhere behind a hill or building etc.
So how are infantry going to cope with stealth helicopters we have no tools now on our own.

Supposed to be 2042 and no decent anti aircraft weapons for any infantryman.

the stealth chopper is broken, i manage to drop bombs while being 90% stealth mode :') ... its dominating and not much you can do about it, so dont act like its nothing because you are also farming with it if you do not see a problem 

@Climax_SpiceyIf you use it, you will see it's not broken. Because if you use it, you learn how to counter it.

Barely anyone gets to use it because of the 1/1 Air Attack Vehicle limit therefore, barely anyone knows how to counter it. Therefore leading to lobbies with people just running Stingers instead of using Rao as well.

I honestly don't blame people for feeling overwhelmed by air vehicles, all because Jets have literally been thrown into the bin.

Rao is a massive game changer but seldom do people exploit him.

@protoman23

Sounds like feedback to me.

@Climax_Spicey 

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@Climax_Spicey wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoLyou are clearly blind or just dont want to admit it xD .. lis is okay, it regens fast enough so not a big issue .. movement of the chopper is fast enough to make it as hard as possible .. the height is decent to get good bomd drops .. so dont act like you are not seeing the issue that just looks ignorant xD ..

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You must play in lobbies that either disable Rao or just play mostly in the stratosphere, there's nothing wrong with that, Battlefield is a sandbox game, you play how you want.

In my experience, one small movement mistake, deploy flares to soon, deploy stealth for no reason and that spells death.

I've killed at least 2 stealth heli's with Lis and got assists on them at least 10 times as Lis.

Rao is perfect for disabling its stealth.

The main goal should be to make it easier for other more capable vehicles to kill the stealth heli, which Rao and the Stingers do well enough.

I don't know, what you're saying is the equivalent of staying in cover because you've seen a sniper scope glint and instead of using your smoke grenade, you're stuck because the sniper is watching you, naturally the sniper will reign supreme at range, likewise bombing from such a height will also work but at the same time, I find it hard to believe that you actually land decent bombs whilst being that high? Your targets must be the size of pixels on the screen if you're able to stay out of Rao range or stinger range.

I play Rao most of the time in season 1. Rao is not a good counter to the stealth helicopter. 

1. The range of Raos hacking is very limited, additional, he needs line of sight, it breaks very easy through any obstacle (like trees)

2. The pilot gets the information, that he gets hacked, so he just can pull flares and fly away -> Rao can't do anything against it, the helicopter is too fast or he can break line of sight

3. If you manage to hack the chopper, you have to sent a rocket instantly after this process, if you wait only 0.5 seconds, the flares are up, before the rocket will reach the helicopter 

4. After one hit, Rao can just stand there, the helicopter will heal itselt, Rao can do the trick 3x times, then he can't do anything

5. And if that in not enough, the pilot get information on the HUD, where Rao is, so the helicopter just have to use flares, fly away and after the cooldown of flares is ready again, just kill him, as you know where he is. 

So everything the helicopter has to do is 2., fly into his base, repeat the attack. Oh, or just kill Rao, as soon as you know, where he is. 

The only option is teamwork, but that is a miracle if we are honest. Or other air units, who are fighting the stealth helicopter. 

Oh, did I mention, that Rao is completely defenseless, while he is fighting the helicopter, so if he tries to fight the helicopter in the open field, he will just be shoot down by other infantry. 

Holy *, how long does the stealth mode last? Like, it feels like if you don't have a Rao in-range to hack them you're basically boned unless they're a bad pilot and stay in-range/LoS of missiles or fail to dodge Lis TV rockets. Started trying to take some down this week and that * feels like it lasts for at least 30 seconds, which is absolutely insane.

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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:

@Climax_Spicey 

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@Climax_Spicey wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoLyou are clearly blind or just dont want to admit it xD .. lis is okay, it regens fast enough so not a big issue .. movement of the chopper is fast enough to make it as hard as possible .. the height is decent to get good bomd drops .. so dont act like you are not seeing the issue that just looks ignorant xD ..

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You must play in lobbies that either disable Rao or just play mostly in the stratosphere, there's nothing wrong with that, Battlefield is a sandbox game, you play how you want.

In my experience, one small movement mistake, deploy flares to soon, deploy stealth for no reason and that spells death.

I've killed at least 2 stealth heli's with Lis and got assists on them at least 10 times as Lis.

Rao is perfect for disabling its stealth.

The main goal should be to make it easier for other more capable vehicles to kill the stealth heli, which Rao and the Stingers do well enough.

I don't know, what you're saying is the equivalent of staying in cover because you've seen a sniper scope glint and instead of using your smoke grenade, you're stuck because the sniper is watching you, naturally the sniper will reign supreme at range, likewise bombing from such a height will also work but at the same time, I find it hard to believe that you actually land decent bombs whilst being that high? Your targets must be the size of pixels on the screen if you're able to stay out of Rao range or stinger range.

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Thoroughly convinced the majority of these players complaining end up in lobbies with Aces. Good news is the Aces have air superiority now and don't have to waste their time fighting over one attack aircraft slot playing AoW. Nobody wants to play Rao. Nobody wants to use a LATV4 with the 50mm or 30MM to break the stealth of the stealth choppers. Nobody wants to coordinate and use teamwork. I'm actually curious as to what game modes folks are playing that lead to them getting farmed so hard. 

@protoman23 

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@protoman23 wrote:

Thoroughly convinced the majority of these players complaining end up in lobbies with Aces. Good news is the Aces have air superiority now and don't have to waste their time fighting over one attack aircraft slot playing AoW. Nobody wants to play Rao. Nobody wants to use a LATV4 with the 50mm or 30MM to break the stealth of the stealth choppers. Nobody wants to coordinate and use teamwork. I'm actually curious as to what game modes folks are playing that lead to them getting farmed so hard. 

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Summed up my thoughts quite well. There are methods in place but people are choosing to outright ignore them "because Helicopters are doing Helicopter things".

Don't get me wrong, the game is far from being "perfectly" balanced, but complaining about something that is not the issue is only gonna cause more imbalances.

The fact that aircraft slots are limited to 1/1 for air attack vehicles created the worst possible environment to balance air vehicles as well. There is almost never any Jets in the air, and it was the Jets that typically prevented the Helis from going out of control when no one was "playing Anti-Air".

Maybe DICE need to triple the XP for the SOFLAM and Hacking etc, to encourage more people to use them.