Re: How to solve the AI level problem

It is soo frustrating and once the AI level is set that's it your stuck for that session (quali or race)

I think the cars in the GP mode are different than the ones you start with in career mode.. so the times you get in GP mode are accurate representation of what you get in Career

What i would suggest is that you race against Verstappen using Perez (in GP mode) and use one-shot qualifying.. whenever you qualify with 0.1 of sec against Verstappen.. then that is you bench mark

This AI thing is a whole mess. They are way to fast on the straight. The level is changing completely from session to session. In Miami they overtake you lien you have an GP2 engine in the back. 

Seriously, this needs a fix asap.

i thought i was alone with that. had in f1 2021 the AI on 85 and had a lot of fun in my team BUT in f1 22 i lose alsmost a second on the straight in bahrain. the ai is so fast out of the corner and on the straight it is stupid.

i put the ai down to 50 and well it works somehow BUt makes no fun at all. i hope they fix that very soon very fast

In F1 21 time trial is pretty much how I did set it using F1 laps. I would run three laps and time trial get an average of the three and use their difficulty calculator for each track. It actually worked very very well. I'm hoping there  new version comes out soon

It is getting so frustrating now, as suggested earlier , I have tried twice on Grand Prix mode as Perez at Bahrain. I did a 1.31.650 , Verstappen did 1.31.300 at AI level 82.

I tweaked it using the 1 AI point per tenth rule and tried AI 80. 

I did a 1.31.340 , Verstappen , 1.31.030 . How can you judge the AI level when the AI level changes every time. Same track  , same conditions, but their times can vary by anything up to a second

@NeilUK02 The method is NOT 100% accurate.. the 0.3 sec time difference is within the margin of error (in terms of human non-professional driving),, you have to take into consideration that you are not going to drive the perfect lap but the AI will (in most cases). 

Again this brings it back to my original post in terms of a methodology for the game to to determine your AI level.. setting your own AI level gives you NO SENSE OF ACHEIVMENT

Imagine if the game based on your TT sets your AI (with +/-5 pts tweaks) 80 at least when you win the race you know that you did not sandbagged the AI and will feel like a true win .. also in 6 months the game suggest an AI of 95 or 100 and that will be a further achievement 

Now its a tedious process of TT then GP quail then getting it wrong (without the ability to change it ).. and all this for an empty feeling at the end

The game asks you to do idiotic/ pointless laps before a race weekend,,, why cant this be 1 shot lap to determine the AI level and then its up to you weather you want accept or even go beyond and maybe get better rewards for that

@SaiSonic666 Thanks, I take your point about the 0.3 gap between me and the AI team mate , but my main point is the difference between Verstappen's times in two or three different GP sessions with the same conditions and AI level. It makes it impossible to set the correct AI level

@PatrickSk89That link takes us to the 2021 version

EDIT - Sorry my bad , didn't scroll down!

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@PatrickSk89 wrote:
@bmarcouxIt's out now for F122 :-)

https://www.f1laps.com/ai-difficulty-calculator/

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Yep I used this

https://www.f1laps.com/articles/f12021/track-difficulty-averages/

for last years doesn't seem to be tge same page for 22?! I literally wrote every tracks ai level down. Made me laugh when I came to Bahrain this game and was almost 3 secs off My teamate lol dropped to 70 ha.  But yea my tactic is to start at 75 then only compare yourself to your teammate, no-one else! In fp aslong as you've used same tryes you can see how quick or slow you are to said teammate. 

Adjust 5  for every second needed up or down on the ai level. Qualify should be OK. This does take a bit to get used to doing,  but that Web site above is pretty good and I could 1 guess most of the tracks!

Using any teammate as bench mark is NOT the correct way to set AI level 

1) The car capability or lack of will undermine ur actual skill.. and thus you will not know what is ur AI level when the car improves

2)  Ur actual AI level has to be set against the AI best benchmark which is Verstappen or Hamilton maybe Leclerc.. see when ur in worst car then difference between you those AIs bench mark  is down to the car so when you get a similar car to them you will be able to compete against them.. in other words your teammates does not matter because if his  not good then ur suppose to beat him

3) in ALL career modes its a moving target since both AI drivers and cars will develop so if you don't improve then you have to lower AI difficulty from the set bench marks of the Year 1

We need EA/codematsers to allow AI changes during race and qualification session through setup menu in teh loading screen like they did in F1 2020 (i think)  and before 

Comparing and adjusting team mate ai has never been an issue for me last year, and this method gave me great races. So each to their own on that one mate. 

In myteam at start I’ll set the ai during fp1.  By picking the closest ranked team to me who has  a ai driver with 90+ pace. Last year was Gasly.  Check his lap times on medium tyres in race director.  And for every second I’m faster on same tyre I increase ai by 10 and for every second I’m slower decrease by ten.  Until I can afford a teammate with 90+ pace then I go by his times:  Don’t know if it will work out the same this year.  But last year my teammates were either Lando or button both maxed to 100 with 2nd driver facilities. And every race unless we had a dnf or some other issue we would always be within a few seconds off eachother throughout a 50% race. Although they always beat me by a few tenths in qualifying 

@Dan78loki you having great races on wrong settings is not a standard.. its like someone saying racing with Traction control is the fastest way for me 😕

Who says they're wrong , some random on the Internet?

If it works for me I don't consider that wrong. So if it's all the same I will continue to do what I think is right and what works for me.

All settings should be set to personal preferences.  Not what somebody else says they should be.  I primarily setup the game and car to suit how I like the car to feel. As longs I’m not way off the pace  Lap times  are secondary. Whereas other people do it the other way round:  there’s no right or wrong

ok its a game at the end of the day... right and wrong is not best way to describe what i was saying.. i was talking about accuracy...  

As said for those basing their recommendation on their experience of fun is not most accurate/optimum measure that's all.. as said you can be faster or have fun with traction control on.. but to say that's the fastest way.. then that's not accurate

setting you AI level based on Latifi as a teammate.. means that when you will be outqualified Verstappen  by a second when you have the same level car down the line

I my experience I haven't seen what you stated will happen, in the vertsppen example.

But since you haven't found a solution either that works were both doing wrong it seems

Also to add I don't set my level so I'm beating my teammate only that we're level or round about.  Most times I'm no way as consistent asvtge ai on a pad so that buffer does even out in the race. 

But when I can actually drive on trc med on a pad like I enjoyed 21, then I'll worry about the ai. Until the. This doesn't really matter mate 😀

@SaiSonic666Honestly think your over thinking it just use the table as has been posted and you will be OK. Your making more of an issue than it is fella

This is an age old issue in most sims we've been doing level methods like this for years it nothing new.