Re: Disappointing romance after the hype. Liam deserved better.

Liam and Reyes both look very swxy to me. Everyone has their own opinion on what looks good and what doesn't. I personally have no issue in how they look, at all.

Just how poor the romances are.

The images you posted, only one or two of them really hold any appearance appeal to me at all. So yeah. Everyones sexy looking guy is very different. Hard to meet all requirements for that as they vary so much.

A good story and good romance though, thats somewhat easier to meet requirements for.

One of the things about Liam's that I think is bugging me so much was his complete lack of response when Sara was 'killed by SAM' to get out of the prison. The fact that at the time, he was there watching her die, seeing them have problems bringing her back and had no reaction to it what so ever. Yet previously in a conversation/banter with Peebee it was established that Liam takes it on himself to always be close to the Pathfinder, to protect them, yet there he was helpless to do anything on his watch to prevent it and he didn’t have a reaction to that?!

Even later on the ship when he does - very briefly mention it, he jokes and laughs it off with a hey you should probably stop dying.

And thats it?!

It was the perfect chance for a cute romance scene and frankly probably the main one that romance was lacking. He should have pulled her aside, kissed, hugged, mentioned how worried he was or something. It would have been a touching moment, something sorely lacking throughout Liam's romance.

As much as sex scenes are nice, I don't need one for the romance to be a good romance. What there does need to be is signs of caring. Intimate or heated or both moments. Liam really got none of that. It was almost as if his entire romance, save for a couple of very short conversations, was off-screen.

Liam romance break-down.

Flirt.

Awkward flirt.

Possible one night stand (which could lead to more). This scene had a kiss, the sex was off-screen. However the whole thing was interrupt only.

With no interrupt, all they do is touch foreheads.

Then you get nothing, nothing for ages.

Then Aya. He sends you off to scan stuff, after which they can have a 'date' but this supposed date is - yep you guessed it, off-screen. So you run around scanning for him, call it a date and it's done.

Then nothing, nothing, nothing.

All of a sudden back on Eos at the football game, he askes about getting serious, ending it or going on with no strings. So here I am, not having taken the interrupt. Having had one OFF SCREEN date with the guy. No kisses. Nothing and suddenly, he wants to get serious. Serious about what exactly?? At this point you can choose to go be alone with him - which is once again OFF SCREEN.

Then more nothing. Nothing. Nothing. The SAM death thing, that was also more nothing.

Final 'date' on Eos and omg finally something that was actually half way decent. Ages after getting serious theres even finally an on screen kiss...

End game. One more kiss. At which point Liam jokes about Marriage. He eblaborates on this a little further with the final conversation, to which Ryder barely responds, which is mostly imo a brush off. And thats a wrap folks. Usually people at least say I love you, before considering marriage. 🤔🤔🤔

Where is the intimacy, the romance, the at least slightly sexy kisses before discussing getting serious? You know, the build-up. Apparently all off-screen, cause we didn't get any. 

I guess thats not only a problem with the Liam romance but of all romances or even relationships/friendships

I finshed my second playthrough and had different romances and flirts and with all of them I was disappointed that there are so many moments I expect them to comment on something, but nothing. I mean Ryder is always almost dying or really dying or just doing stupid or badass things and they say nothing about it...no worries when he/she gets hurt or whatsoever.
In a game with such an amount of playtime it's just disappointed to just have 3-5 romantic moments or flirts.
Especially after the marketing was all on the "best romances ever" "Bangdromeda" and stuff like that...
Just disappointing ☹️

I have to ask, please:

Are the romances for males / straight and males / homosexuell and female / homosexuell better? It's a serious question, I really don't know it ...

About the appearance of the characters, to be honest ... they are ALL ugly, for me. Yes, the females, too. Even the Turians have strange faces ... "stone-washed" somehow.

Sorry, but I played Dragon Age: Inquisition before and I can't understand HOW they could have sutch unreal faces now in MEA ..... years later and DA:I is still so mutch better .... for my personal taste / opinion.

Here a dialoge with Dorian, my favorite buddy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBT1mtBhLY . Not the best Video and example, I'm sorry. Few mods inside. And the voices are so mutch .... more real! In German they are brilliant, I don't know how they have been in English. In MEA the voices are ... ok .... they don't impress me.

I mean, look at this picture:

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@Rappeldrache wrote:

I have to ask, please:

Are the romances for males / straight and males / homosexuell and female / homosexuell better? It's a serious question, I really don't know it ...

About the appearance of the characters, to be honest ... they are ALL ugly, for me. Yes, the females, too. Even the Turians have strange faces ... "stone-washed" somehow.

Sorry, but I played Dragon Age: Inquisition before and I can't understand HOW they could have sutch unreal faces now in MEA ..... years later and DA:I is still so mutch better .... for my personal taste / opinion.

Here a dialoge with Dorian, my favorite buddy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBT1mtBhLY . Not the best Video and example, I'm sorry. Few mods inside. And the voices are so mutch .... more real! In German they are brilliant, I don't know how they have been in English. In MEA the voices are ... ok .... they don't impress me.

I mean, look at this picture:

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I don't know about the f/f romances. I don't tend to do these, someone else maybe able to answer them. Except from my hubby who did DA:Is and they weren't great (Sera or Josephine was the only options there).

Straight males, right off the bat always get it better. Cassandra in DA:I had one of the best on screen sex scenes in the game. Again in Andromeda, Cora has the best sex scene and she is a human female.

They automatically get more options - Vetra, Cora, Peebee for a start, three SQUAD mate options. Then 2 side romance options (The reporter and an Angara) - thats 5 options compaired to straight females who get 3 options (Reyes, Liam and Jaal) and gay males who get 2. F/F even get 4, peebee, suvi, vetra, keri.

Now Jaal is a decent romance, but again he is an alien, not everyone is into naked alien butts, Liam and Reyes romances are both seriously lacking. Liam's just lacks romance period and Reyes is like its incomplete.

In the original trilogy, Jack, Miranda, Ashley, Liara, Tali for straight males - thats the ones I can remember, all perfectly viable, all carry over, none of them cheat and all can be kept alive. - three of them are human females.

Straight females got - Kaidan, Garrus, Thane  (dies, can't be stopped), Jacob (cheats and runs off with said chick, also can not be stopped ), leaving with 2 viable options across the trilogy only, one of those alien.

The difference between what options straight males get, compaired to the options straight females get is huge. All we are really asking for is at least one human male option that has all the trimmings of a good romance. We don't expect to get as much options as straight males, which make up the bulk of players, but one decent human male romance choice at least would be nice.

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@Rappeldrache wrote:

I have to ask, please:

Are the romances for males / straight and males / homosexuell and female / homosexuell better? It's a serious question, I really don't know it ...

About the appearance of the characters, to be honest ... they are ALL ugly, for me. Yes, the females, too. Even the Turians have strange faces ... "stone-washed" somehow.

Sorry, but I played Dragon Age: Inquisition before and I can't understand HOW they could have sutch unreal faces now in MEA ..... years later and DA:I is still so mutch better .... for my personal taste / opinion.

Here a dialoge with Dorian, my favorite buddy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBT1mtBhLY . Not the best Video and example, I'm sorry. Few mods inside. And the voices are so mutch .... more real! In German they are brilliant, I don't know how they have been in English. In MEA the voices are ... ok .... they don't impress me.

I mean, look at this picture:

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The best cutscenes are for the Cora and Peebee romance. Cora is straight and although Peebee counts as bi BW used the same scenario for both gender - and well, works great for males but looks awkward and silly for females (and honestly, who could have foreseen that? Oh well...).
Jaal is nice, won't complain too much because it actually IS so much better than we females normally get as "hot romance cutscene".

About the "ugly" issue. Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder and I can live with the fact that there aren't any top models around. I prefer a good story over some "beautiful" but otherwise bland characters. But sadly we don't get a good story for Liam or Reyes.

About the voices. Actually I love my femRyder VA. I was a bit worried about it because I love how Jennifer Hales makes the femShep so "alive". FemRyder actually did a very good job, too. Also not much to complain about the others although I have my problems with Suvi - I'm wating for the moment that the faithful scientist finally transform into a rough and tough Cait...
Don't know much about the german version. I started it (I always give it a try, maybe some day... there should always be hope...), cringed. Jumped to the original version and never looked back.