Re: Input Lag/Unresponsiveness

Here i have something from the german FIFA Forum, i translated it into English 

So what you are all describing right now, especially @Xxstarplayerxx0, seems more likely to be due to a problem in the execution of FIFA 23.

It's definitely not the internet. If it were just a connection issue, you'd have permanent stuttering, freeze with sudden fast-forwarding, or significant asynchronous delays. And that's only for online games.

But this is also about gameplay in offline modes, i.e. where only the locally saved program on your own hard drive works during a game.

Since, as is well known, it either always works well for some and only temporarily for others, and others report that it suddenly stopped working after a patch, it may well be that the installation of a patch did more damage than it did should have fixed. Patch files contain all the errors that need to be corrected, which are then corrected at the appropriate points in the Fifa main program. After all, no complete main program is replaced.

Would we be surprised if a patch would destroy the entire gameplay when installed? At least some bugs were not fixed, contrary to the changelog, or new bugs suddenly appeared after an installed patch. In individual cases, a patch can also destroy the entire gameplay.

Have you ever deleted all FIFA completely (including all scores, squad files, etc., absolutely everything) and downloaded the latest version in its entirety, i.e. without having to run any patches over it? Maybe several times in a row, if you notice that it's still not playable offline?

Well at least that's what I do whenever I find the game running noticeably different or glitchy after a patch has been installed. And when my game console downloads and installs something, I always wait to play until everything is downloaded and installed, so as not to load the hard drive with too many reads and writes, which could potentially result in the risk of errors.

At least on a PlayStation, the complete patch is always downloaded first and then the data on the patch file is gradually copied into the main program. In other words, it is checked when and where which data from the patch file has to be copied into the main file of FIFA 23.

Why is versus so much better than EASHL. The skating and overall feel is night and day, even though the ping fluctuates much more and is generally higher.  feels like I am playing NHL19/20/21. Great responsiveness compared to EASHL which is basically unplayable at all times 

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@DaWebio  schrieb:
@niccolo91eaI will change my ISP soon because I will move in the end of the year.
I can give you feedback on that but since I already tested more than 8 ISPs in different regions of Germany I don't have much hope.

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Starte das Spiel mal offline, du wirst sehen dass es nichts mit deiner Verbindung zutun hat. Du kannst auch 100 verschiedene Profile ausprobieren, du wirst immer das selbe ergebnis haben.

Da es offline auch der selbe mist ist, kann ich mit mein halbwissen sogar sagen dass es nur eine fehlerhafte Datei sein kann, das ein patch oder ein livetuning verursacht. Der Pech hat, bei dem läuft es immer schlecht, der Glück hat, braucht garnichts an seinem router einstellen, bei dem läuft es problemlos.

A few people in FIFA figured out the problem, packets were getting lost and resent at the last hops of the network server (AWS).

EAs UOtrace tool and the in game monitor network performance monitor only show UDP packets sent, so it shows no packet loss.

The games information is sent on GVSP packets though, and those are getting dropped and resent. So there is no way for you to know that this is happening unless you use packet sniffer software, have a network switch etc. There is no other reason why every game I play with dedicated servers feels delayed, and every game I play in VS feels fine.

Also this guy barely gets 8 wins a week in HUT Champions, he goes on a business trip to Montreal and Vancouver and at different times he gets 18 wins. You know how hard it is to get 18 wins in Champions especially if you are a 8 win player? He goes 8/20 his whole career and then goes 18-2 lol just by playing in a different town closer to the server...

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLHUT/comments/yyv4ps/heres_why_no_matter_what_cards_you_have_on_your/

The game is almost all connection.

Every game is the same for me. First couple minutes are smooth, responsive, no input delay. Right around a couple minutes in there is significant delay and the whole game becomes unplayable. same thing happens in free skate. First minute great, then the laggy clunky skating shows up  

Played four games this evening, all online games unplayble, won one game in OT and rage quit the other two, unplayable. I even had slight fat man lag when I played HUT Squad Battles.

And I'm wondering, wasn't the strategy glitch patched? I am playing Collapsing and my player are playing Tight Point...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owTweAYw-zg

Anyway, it's good that some fellow German players have joined the thread because Online gameplay is completely broken for players in Germany IMO and this needs more people complaining instead of player quitting the game.

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@MrTryfe wrote:
@DeliveryForKikiI came upon this thread a few days ago, mainly because I have been having the exact same issues for a period of 5 years now with FIFA - dating back to FIFA 18.

Like you, I've gone through multiple consoles, PS and Xbox, and eventually to the PC version of FIFA this year. No luck. I've been with 3 different ISPs during this time, have used 4 different modems, various routers (note - DumaOS will not fix this issue), and have switched out various other equipment like controllers and monitors. Have fiddled with a ton of settings all these pieces of equipment, and the end results have repeatedly left me back at stage one. It's groundhog day every time I get a new idea to try out.

Two weeks ago, I had a period of 12 or so hours where the gameplay on FIFA felt like a fever dream. I was winning nearly all of my games. Rivals was a breeze, WL was a breeze. The next day, back to the same old. Honestly, it felt very cruel, but we are just playing video games after all so it doesn't really affect my sanity at the end of the day. Still, to get a taste of something like that and then to go back to the usual was a bit depressing.

I'm still not sure who or what the culprit is. Every other game works fine. Maybe its the routing. Some people say its node congestion and its your ISP at fault, but this doesn't explain why other games aren't affected. Some say its EA inducing DDA, which was never a good explanation because some people seem to always have it good connection wise. Anyways, this is just a usual tepid request for some sort of clarity from someone on EA's side.

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Weirdly enough, about 2-3 weeks ago, I also had the best few consecutive days on the game I've had in 12 months. I've been noticing recently, since I'm a late night guy, that my game resolves  around 3am each night. Like clockwork, it feels more normal online and offline. Just to feel like crap the next night before that time. To your point, the taste of normal gameplay is tantalizingly maddening. That's how everyone else feels all the time. 

Like you, every other game works fine for me. And I haven't heard one explanation from EA how this could impact OFFLINE modes too -- I don't think we've gotten a response in 3 weeks (I guess you can only write so many evasive non-comments). I even included new videos last week of the delay happening in real time (linked again below*). They're connected somehow; when it feels normal offline, it feels normal online. 

* https://i.imgur.com/4fTjWY9.mp4

@DeliveryForKiki @So I just did what you said and deleted the saved game data and loaded up the game offline. Played free skate offline, no weird delay after a minute. 

then I connected to internet and signed into my Xbox profile. Next I signed into my Xbox profile on the game itself and it restarted the game while also prompting me to sync with cloud data, Xbox data or just create a new profile which I selected. Now I’m in a free skate and the skating feels amazing and the vibration came back which I haven’t felt in god knows how long. About to test a real game.

also when I connected to the internet a second blue controller randomly appeared for no reason.

EDIT: just played two games. First one felt great but then I had to disconnect because the game started endlessly restarting on the faceoff, something I have never had happen to me in NHL 23. Next game felt good for a few minutes and then the horrible delay came back out of nowhere. I hate this game 

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@Dadaruklija wrote:
@prospero99c I'm from Austria and the game has been horrible for the last 2 weeks and unplayable since the last patch. I wrote to a famous German NHL youtuber if he had the same issues, of course he said no.. but in the comments there are some with the same problems as mine. I'm starting to believe in the conspiracy that some accounts connect EA with the best conditions, and believe me once you have this issue you will always have it, I don't know if it's because of your ip or something else.. me think EA remembers your ip and you will always have this problem which explains why some are affected and some are not

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This is absolutely not true.

Same issues here on and off for the current and past iterations of this game. Feels like skating in quicksand some games, player turns like a boat. Ping does not seem to matter as it will happen sometimes with a 5 ms game, but then I will play a 70 ms game and it will feel fine in regards the input lag (obviously can feel a bit of network latency)

Playing in HUT when you don't live near a server is close to mental insanity. You can't compete. This game is only playable for people near a server. Guys like Eki and Polgz have zero lag. Yes they have skill but your proximity to the server is EVERYTHING. EA has known this all along but they keep taking our money for packs. HUT is a complete dumpster fire because of this. EA has known this from the start. Why can't it be peer to peer and you get put in divisions by how good your connection is. If you have a bad connection you play vs people with a bad connection. In the highest division you have to have a connection of 10 ping or under or you get moved down. If your connection falls below this in the game you lose. It's very simple. And a simple way to stop all this lag bs and all the insanity that comes with it. These server issues have completely ruined the game. And players in Div 3 or higher live near a server 100%. If EA doesn't address this, this game is finished. It's so bad it's making people have mental health problems and making them spend money uncontrollably. This is actually a serious issue that needs to be addressed. It's completely unacceptable!

There are NO other issues with this game other then how close or far you live from a server! Nothing else. That's it. I'm so tired of reading all the bs and listening to guys like EA Alijo tell people to trouble shoot blah blah. When they have known ALL along your proximity to the server is the ONLY issue. They've known this the whole time but continue to take our money. Do not be fooled this is the only issue. There's a server in Calgary and Montreal for Canada. If you're not close to this you cannot compete! Does not matter how good your team is or how skilled you are. In the US there's one in Oregon, Ohio, and the biggest one in N.Virginia. if you don't live close to these you are absolutely done. Every player in Div 3 or higher live near one of these! This game is completely finished if this doesn't get resolved. Oh yeah I forgot to add they are using Amazon Web Services cloud servers. Do not spend one more dime on this game if you don't live near one of these because you cannot compete. This game is ruthless for all of us who don't live near one of these. As I've said EA has known this all along...

I know people who play in Vancouver and say that they have great connection. You should check your connection do what I did, it might be something else for you, maybe it is your ISP. SAP Alien is in lower BC for example. I advise you to get the switch and use wireshark and capture the connection.

Also I am pretty sure the calgary one didn't open up yet. I am in div2 borderline div 1 and I live 350 miles away from server, it is how the information is routed not always how close you are to server, but yes further away you usually have it worse.