Can we nerf the Peacekeeper finally?
This gun is stronger than the Mastiff, and the Mastiff is a gold weapon - Developers, how to you rationalize that? Here's a few videos of me in the firing range doing one shot with the PK then Masti...
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@SolitaryMassacre You are doing more damage because you aren’t hitting enough pellets with the mastiff. Sure, it’s doing more damage by 10, but get any closer and the mastiff will do more, get any further and you might as well ads.
The Mastiff is better in terms of damage, but you have to actually hit the pellets. If you ads with un choked pk and Mastiff, you’ll see that the Mastiff does more damage than the PK. This still proves my point, as then the Mastiff and PK will both be ads and all the variables are the same.
Yeah, the PK fully choked has a better range, but charging up the choke takes time. This is kind of like a havoc vs r-99. The r-99 is slightly better and the havoc also needs to charge up before actually shooting.
You did not prove it incorrect. I went ahead and looked through your videos. You didn’t go at any further ranges than in the first video, and that wasn’t very far at all. If you go further out and ads, you’ll see the mastiff starting to do better.
Also, when looking through your videos, the second and third one are strangely inconsistent, as the damage values were very different with the Mastiff, but they were at the same range.
Mastiff’s weakness is hip-fire, but ads is superior to the regular pk. Even the hip-fire on the Mastiff still did a lot of damage, with 70 or more. The Mastiff is not necessarily worse that the PK.
You also haven’t brought headshots into the equation at all. With headshots, the Mastiff can insta kill.
In the end, the PK is more forgiving, but if you are good, the Mastiff can be far better than the PK.
The Mastiff is better in terms of damage, but you have to actually hit the pellets. If you ads with un choked pk and Mastiff, you’ll see that the Mastiff does more damage than the PK. This still proves my point, as then the Mastiff and PK will both be ads and all the variables are the same.
Yeah, the PK fully choked has a better range, but charging up the choke takes time. This is kind of like a havoc vs r-99. The r-99 is slightly better and the havoc also needs to charge up before actually shooting.
You did not prove it incorrect. I went ahead and looked through your videos. You didn’t go at any further ranges than in the first video, and that wasn’t very far at all. If you go further out and ads, you’ll see the mastiff starting to do better.
Also, when looking through your videos, the second and third one are strangely inconsistent, as the damage values were very different with the Mastiff, but they were at the same range.
Mastiff’s weakness is hip-fire, but ads is superior to the regular pk. Even the hip-fire on the Mastiff still did a lot of damage, with 70 or more. The Mastiff is not necessarily worse that the PK.
You also haven’t brought headshots into the equation at all. With headshots, the Mastiff can insta kill.
In the end, the PK is more forgiving, but if you are good, the Mastiff can be far better than the PK.
The PK can be nerfed from 11 pellets to 10 pellets. All they have to do is remove the pellet in the middle of the star shape and then lower the damage by 2.
- @Leo_the_Lion25 Well then that’s 80 if you hit everything, which is kind of difficult if you are strafing and everything. That seems like a huge nerf to the PK, and probably a bit too far. Maybe remove 2 pellets only, or something like that.
Plus, if you nerf the PK a lot, shotguns as a whole will sort of fade into being irrelevant. The EVA-8 is good, but not that good. And the Mozambique is literally at the bottom.
Also, how much would headshots do? @Sir_NamedMy nerf suggestion makes PK do 80 body damage from 110-121 and the headshot would become 104 from 143-150.
Those the maxed stats if all pellets hit.
Gibby and Caustic would be 70 from 99 body damage and their headshot would become 90 from 122 headshot damage.- @Leo_the_Lion25 Yeah, that might be a little too much.
Well thought out idea though. Damage is fine imo. The hipfire spread should be greatly widened. ADS required for the big hits, similar to how the mastiff works. Peacekeeper is better than mastiff, barring that rare oneshot.
- @Sir_Named I completely disagree with this. A gold weapon should be outputting more damage on average than a pickup weapon that you can get in the beginning of the game
I have kept quiet about this to see if anything would be done. But yet, ANOTHER update and STILL NOTHING.
I am so sick of getting one shot when I have like a havoc or AR in general. This gun is so OP and needs a HUGE nerf. I only think the hip fire box needs to be bigger, but if damage nerfs are what EA wants, then I think the max damage should be 80 and that is it. I have seen so many threads about this gun from so long ago and they never do anything to fix it. @SolitaryMassacreI'm with you man, since the beginning of the game i made threads here about PK and everyone replied me that is my fault to loose Against a PK user, and No...I have more than 1000 hours on APEX on PC, i played against pro teams every day, i already win at least 1 fight against every streamer or pro in this game and die against them too and i don't find difficult to play against them unless they have a Pk, PK gives the noobs pro capabilities and the Pros GOD capabilities, they just ran to you lands a 99-132 body shot, change his weapon and finish the job, or if they are premades, three people ran to you, every one lands a 100+ PK shot and you're done, i refused to use PK, is just unfair, the few times i used it only because is the only weapon i'd found, was just unfair to the other players.
1. CHOKE needs to be removed, in this game is not difficult to get close to someone.
2. Needs an ammo reduction to 3 or 2 shots per magazine keeping the damage OR needs a damage reduction by removing one pellet and reducing the damage by 1 on every pellet.
3. And needs bullet spread on hipfire shots increased by 30%.- @audiofilomx Your second nerf idea seems fairly reasonable, I guess.
Sorry, but a lot of what you said kind of sounds like an exaggeration. You mean to tell me you've beaten every pro and streamer in the game at least once? @Sir_Namedyeah im very good and Only NA players, and i use to play a lot, i use to have a very good team; just play ranked in the first weeks of every season and you will find everyone.
Pd: its not that difficult eventually you win against everyone and loose against everyone too, PC community is very small
- @audiofilomx I don't think the PC community is that small.
Alright I'll take your word for it, but with a grain of salt. - @Sir_Named is very small, at least at higher levels, with sbmm you will see the same people even on Pubs.
- @audiofilomx I still have my doubts.
Are you Predator level? Because you’d have to be predator to have a small top tier community, plus you’d have to be in a lot of games.
Also, just winning the game isn’t the greatest measurement for who is better, as a pro/streamer might get killed by someone else. @Sir_NamedStreamers and pros are not gods, since diamond IV on Pc you will find half of the server filled with predators(masters on this season) the community is that small, PC is another level, that's why guys like daltoosh and xednim, top ps4 players switch to PC, the level is far more superior than console.
I only achieved predator on season 2 i didn't reached predator on season 3/only diamond 2 (i lost my 3rd teammate)But this thread is about PK, that was only to give some context to my argument, weapons like PK needs to be balanced only with the help of high level players, PK at higher levels of gaming is super OP, sure at casual level PK is fine, but in diamond/master lobbies are teams full with PK and there's no counter to that, only if all your team have PK too.
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