Circle damage increase feedback thread UPDATED June14.

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@Vhalei wrote:
@mastiffslingerThere is a certain amount of rng to the game, thats kinda the point. Drop relay and zone is in thunderdome? Bad luck, better move quick. Complaining about that rng element is akin to complaining about loot tiering. You drop on a mazibique, your enemy drops on a peacekeeper? Bad luck, try again. You really are given quite a lot of time to get a wriggle on at the start. Almost immediately after you drop you know where the ring is going to go, and if its far away you should start planning for that immediately and not waste time in a 5-10 min poke battle.

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You're saying that by having more damage and being faster, the circle amplifies the affect of RNG in Apex Elite compared to ordinary Apex because players have less time to prepare for battle. You believe that if looting is even more of a lottery in Apex Elite that it will prove who the real Champions are even though or even because the result is more dependant on RNG?

If that isn't what you're saying then why are you advocating RNG in Elite Queue?

Surely the fairer and more equal a game is the more likely you are to find who has the more skill and is the best?

If the game is more random than ever then surely the results are more random as well? 🤔

the first circle doing 15% damage is an absolute joke.. Myself and a friend got 2 legendary shields from relay (NOT NOTICING THIS WAS ELITE SINCE IT AUTO CHANGES) and we had to run the distance of HALF THE MAP, we couldn't even heal and both insta-died.

GREAT CHANGES!

The problem to me isn't so much that the circle does too much damage (because they have their reasons and so far it's working), but rather that the circle moves INCREDIBLY faster then the standard queue. In the standard queue you could catch up to and then eventually overtake the storm. Where as in the Elite Queue the storm doesn't even give you a chance to run away. It's actually SUPER frustrating. Apex. FIX IT. 

This is probably the worst approach to addressing camping.  If people get caught in a fight, they basically either try to run and get picked off, or fight and lose regardless.  Doesn't matter elite or not.  Instead of doing an increase in damage and making the game less enjoyable to play, approach camping with a time limit based on distance to the inner circle, if they can't make it by a few seconds after the circle closes, then they can get kicked out, but not giving the opportunity to run back is totally ridiculous as a "fix" for camping.

The topic is feedback on the increased circle damage. I gave mine. I also responded to an earlier statement about deciding to land outside circle because in the context written it sounds like an informed choice. Which obviously it isn’t since it is random. 

This change doesnt make sense based on the reasoning we were given for it being implemented, namely that people were camping in the zone in order to get top 5. This does not make sense for two seasons.

1. You can quite literally camp inside the circle if you wanted to. Theres plenty of places that most players will never go where you can just hide all game long and likely never be found. Granted the zone is 'safer' if you have the meds to sustain it, but lets be realistic here, no one is running around to odd hidden places on the map looking for people. If you're going to go through with this change for the reasons stated, you might as well make people take damage for standing still for too long, if people want to camp to top 5 placement and avoid fights they're gonna find a way to do it regardless.

2. This change is essentially saying that Respawn wants us to fight and be aggressive, not passively camp the zone for placement. This is contradictory however because these zone changes actually DISCOURAGE a lot of fighting and is causing people to run away from or outright avoid fighting. You cannot fight people on the way to the zone and drawn out fights on the edge of the map either result in a loss for all squads involved or getting out with no loot. Avoiding or running a way from a fight is a valid tactic in BR games, but this change literally forces it on in a lot of circumstances, its no longer a strategic choice.

Additionally this change removes all zone based gameplay.  Gameplay that is a core and fun part of the game. Things like reviving people in the zone, re-positioning in the zone and fighting in the zone. The complete removal of this is not a cost worth paying for preventing campers. 
Furthermore this change exacerbates the RNG nature of Battle Royale, People far away from the circle have no time to either loot or fight, so if they dont get lucky with loot they will arrive at the new circle severely outclassed by people with better loot.
Finally it adds the problem of edge of circle camping where squads fleeing the zone have little chance, with a squad infront of them with good positions and a zone behind them that will instantly kill them if they stop.

Overall Zone camping is not that big of a deal. It requires a considerable investment of consumables in a lot cases and while you're sitting there you're not gaining additional loot, perhaps putting you behind. Id be perfectly fine with zone damage doubling for the values in normal mode for the first 2-3 circles, but the current values are beyond extreme and egregious. 

@EA_Davidcan you add now a new badge "Dumb ways do die" with tracking deaths outside circle?

Don't even know where the circle is going to end up on that first circle. Needs to be set back a little bit ESPECIALLY the first circle! I was in a battle many times on the way to the circle when I had to battle, couldn't even make it! couldn't heal myself, NOTHING. Ease up on the damage please, don't even feel like playing anymore.