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Hilshire12
6 years ago

Mastiff too powerful at close range

There is no way to pellets from the mastiff that are not headshots should score 112 damage yet anything short stream close range the massive is completely useless it should be balanced so it is avera...
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LordloshBang
6 years ago

I disagree. Mastiff is too easy to hit the target, unlike PK. With PK you actually needed a bit skill, but PK was OP too.

The best with a full hit(all the pellets) should do no more than 70 damage.

Shootgun should be a finishing weapon, not like now, a game changer.  Its rewarding the low tier player base that simply spam with it.

So many games i died to a Mastiff, where the enemy could not even land a shot on me with his AR/SMG, and he 2 shoot me with a Mastiff, like he is some kind of a god ...

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Sir_Named
6 years ago
@LordloshBang The PK could be hip-fired, and it’s spread made it easy to deal large amounts of damage. (The star spread. If you get the person in there, you deal sizable damage.)
The Mastiff has to be ADS, and because of it’s horizontal spread, you can really only get like 70-80 damage per shot, (unless it’s like point blank, but that would kind of be your fault. It you let the enemy get that close, you just got outplayed.)
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    LordloshBang
    6 years ago

    I can easily get 52 damage from a like 50 meter distance, which is crazy, because of its a shootgun.

    Plenty of people are using it at that distance to finish opponents off.

    70-80 damage its still too much, because you are not landing all of your shots, yet you get insane damage in exchange. And the damage its even more to LP. :D

    Being able to kill someone with 2 shots with a bad aim, shot not be allowed.

    With PK the chance to miss is greater, its spread its not as big as the mastiff. 

    With mastiff even if you spam you still hit for 30-40+ damage.

    Eva8 for example has s***** range from anything less further than close range.

    Again shootgun should not be able to one shot you. At up close, Mastiff on the body is doing like 126 damage. It can 1 shoot you even with an Evo Shield .... 


    Its the only weapon i currently hate and think its OP.

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      Sir_Named
      6 years ago
      @LordloshBang 50 meters? 50 damage? Get me a clip of you doing that while in an actual fight! That’s an impressive feat. I don’t see people using it at that distance often.
      70-80 isn’t all that much, especially since top tier auto weapons can destroy you fairly easily.

      The PK had a consistent spread that was easy to use. Line the enemy up within the box and fire for fairly good damage.
      Sure with the Mastiff you can hit things easier, but that doesn’t translate to damage. I could hip-fire with the Mastiff and get a hit every time, but the damage would be extremely low. To actually get good damage with the Mastiff, you have to line the enemy up with the actual center of the spread, (it’s easier with iron sights), in order to deal good damage. If you don’t do it correctly, you’ll end up with only some of the bullets hitting and like 40 damage. In effect, the Mastiff has a wider spread, which allows you to hit things easier, but to get actual damage you have to ads and the spread becomes much more difficult to hit.

      Except for if you have an basic Evo shield or no shield, the Mastiff doesn’t one shot you. It’s more of a 2-3 shot if they’re really close. If that’s too much, then don’t get that close and don’t let them get that close.
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        LordloshBang
        6 years ago

        I don`t record my game, so its hard to give you a clip. And i don`t play shootgun and Mastiff esp. much.

        But you can always try it at the firing range. D:


        But i watch a lot of pro streamers and a some of them are using it for exactly that. Got to find the game with Hal where he was shooting from a range with Mastiff  one of the players and him him with 52 damage from a huge distance.

        But yeah Mastiff is doing too much damage in close range and too much of a damage in kinda let said it SMG/medium range.

        Its not the exact videos i was watching with Hal, but this is a good example too:
        Look at 3:99:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0cDmetq_s

        Also 3:32, in the same video. Should you be able to still do such a damage on such distance ?

        Same video, 6:08 he hit for 39 with half of his shots actually hit the target for a big distance. He literally finish all of them from a long range with the Mastiff.

        Try to do this with Eva8 all you will got will be 8 damage at best if you manage to even hit them ....


        The other problem with the mastiff is that is the best weapon for downed enemy,. you one shoot them ....

        In this video at 4:01, he is doing 55, 66, 55 damage to Gibralter(he got fortified) in a SMG range situation, where shootgun damage should not be that massive.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcbjMNMMqU

        Esp when it shoot that fast.