Please keep muzzle flash and punish people for having a good gun.I don't care if you can't see anything while firing. You need to practice and you will get used to it and master it. DON'T LISTEN REDDIT POSTS. they just want an easy game. Their only argument is "you clearly haven't played a fps game. you can't do this on a fps game" I don't care if other fps games don't do this. This is apex legends. Muzzle flash and other aspects of the game gives richness to this game. It makes gun choice more versatile in my opinion.Please don't remove it or reduce it to something that will make it just a cosmetic.Thanks.

@RahaenorOk.... and what exactly is your argument for keeping it? You dont seem to have one. You're just irrationally advocating for a graphical effect thats objectively bad.There is literally not a single good reason why muzzle flash should be so extreme and that it should completely prevent you from seeing your target.Guns have numerous balancing levers already, recoil, rarity, muzzle velocity and attachments. Balancing guns around muzzle flash is lazy, stupid and just plain bad.No other popular FPS game on the market has muzzle flash that is this extreme. Probably because the goal of an FPS is to shoot at and kill your target and an effect that literally blinds you preventing you from seeing your target is detrimental to that goal and moronic. Finally your suggestion that one can simply 'practice' or somehow 'master' muzzle flash with skill is patently false and stupid. Skill in an FPS game comes your ability to accurately aim at your target, if you cannot see your target then you cannot aim at them.With muzzle flash you are literally randomly GUESSING where your target is because you cannot see them. You cannot just 'practice' to compensate for this because there is no skill to develop since skill is aiming and you cannot aim when you cannot see your target. Muzzle flash actually reduces and limits skill expression since it prevents people with superior aim from landing shots because they cannot aim at something they cant see.

@PretzelnutcakeSo I should imagine myself playing literally every other FPS game on the market in which muzzle flash isnt an issue?Furthermore the argument of 'realism' is utterly stupid '. This game isnt realistic, its not trying to be realistic is a SCI FI GAME. None of the weapons in this game exist in real life. You cannot do 95% of the things that you can do in this game in real life.Not to mention the fact that this level of muzzle flash isnt even realistic to begin with. You clearly have only seen weapons fired in Hollywood movies which is 100% fake. Go on youtube and watch weapons being fired, you cant even see the muzzle flash.

@RahaenorSo as I thought you have no argument whatsoever for why muzzle flash should exist.Ive already pointed out how muzzle flash does not add difficulty or skill to this game. It only adds randomness and guessing.Furthermore you are already 'punished' for having a good gun through all the balancing levers i pointed out.

I don't care whether its there or not but thinking about it the devotion is the only gun I've noticed muzzle flash on. This might be because my target is already down before I'm bothered by the flash or due to using a lot of weapons with a low rate of fire.@Gidoru The idea that muzzle flash doesn't add difficulty seems like a lie. Correct me if I'm wrong but plenty of games use muzzle flash or recoil to obscure the player's vision and good players find ways around that. Even in a simple game like COD there are methods like burst firing or constantly dropping and raising your gun to maintain accuracy/keep track of the enemy. Good players don't "randomly guess" either but make educated guesses based on experience. Muzzle flash can be a lazy way of balancing a gun but I dislike lying about its effect.

@MandatoryIDtagOne of the reasons its so bad in this video is because if you notice the person is in the shadows. On certain parts of the map, particularly darker indoor areas or in areas with shadows muzzle flash is significantly worse than it is in well lit areas of the map.In these darker areas not only is your muzzle flash more obtrusive but often your enemies muzzle flash also starts obscuring your vision. In these situations you literally see nothing.Id also like to point out that in that video the player is scoring hits on the enemy and keeps shooting the spot where he gets gets hits for a second and its only when he stops shooting that he notices the enemiy has moved and is a solid 2 inches away from where he shooting. This is how bad it is on PC. You literally cannot see your enemy at all. In a situation like this there is no such thing as 'educated guessing', the player made the best guess that he could, that being that the enemy was where he got scored his previous hits. When muzzle flash like this blocks such a significant portion of your screen NO AMOUNT OF SKILL can compensate for this because you're shooting blind.

Please don't reduce muzzle flash!!!

39 Replies

Pretzelnutcake
7 years ago
@Rahaenor Funny thing is the people complaining about not playing a FPS have probably never seen a actual weapon being fired lol
Gidoru
7 years ago
@Rahaenor
Ok.... and what exactly is your argument for keeping it? You dont seem to have one. You're just irrationally advocating for a graphical effect thats objectively bad.

There is literally not a single good reason why muzzle flash should be so extreme and that it should completely prevent you from seeing your target.

Guns have numerous balancing levers already, recoil, rarity, muzzle velocity and attachments. Balancing guns around muzzle flash is lazy, stupid and just plain bad.
No other popular FPS game on the market has muzzle flash that is this extreme. Probably because the goal of an FPS is to shoot at and kill your target and an effect that literally blinds you preventing you from seeing your target is detrimental to that goal and moronic.

Finally your suggestion that one can simply 'practice' or somehow 'master' muzzle flash with skill is patently false and stupid. Skill in an FPS game comes your ability to accurately aim at your target, if you cannot see your target then you cannot aim at them.
With muzzle flash you are literally randomly GUESSING where your target is because you cannot see them. You cannot just 'practice' to compensate for this because there is no skill to develop since skill is aiming and you cannot aim when you cannot see your target. Muzzle flash actually reduces and limits skill expression since it prevents people with superior aim from landing shots because they cannot aim at something they cant see.
Pretzelnutcake
7 years ago
@Gidoru If the goal in this game was only to "shoot and kill the target" then they'll allow us to drop in with weapons instead of having to scavenge them, no, the goal is to survive against 19 other squads in a 'as realistic as possible without making it another PUBG' type of game.

And as for a reason besides the obvious realism it brings to the game, imagine someone already good at the game not having to deal with muzzle flash at mid/long ranges
Rahaenor
7 years ago
It adds difficulty to the game. In my OP I said "punish people for having a good gun"
Gidoru
7 years ago
@Pretzelnutcake
So I should imagine myself playing literally every other FPS game on the market in which muzzle flash isnt an issue?

Furthermore the argument of 'realism' is utterly stupid '. This game isnt realistic, its not trying to be realistic is a SCI FI GAME. None of the weapons in this game exist in real life. You cannot do 95% of the things that you can do in this game in real life.
Not to mention the fact that this level of muzzle flash isnt even realistic to begin with. You clearly have only seen weapons fired in Hollywood movies which is 100% fake. Go on youtube and watch weapons being fired, you cant even see the muzzle flash.
Gidoru
7 years ago
@Rahaenor
So as I thought you have no argument whatsoever for why muzzle flash should exist.

Ive already pointed out how muzzle flash does not add difficulty or skill to this game. It only adds randomness and guessing.
Furthermore you are already 'punished' for having a good gun through all the balancing levers i pointed out.
Anlbrd
7 years ago
@Pretzelnutcake I bet most of the guys playing Apex haven't seen huge homosexual Samoans dropping orbital strikes on cheerful robots and guys with metal legs and bad drug addictions either, but hey - since we're on a forum to talk about the game anyway 😛
Pretzelnutcake
7 years ago
@Anlbrd Haven't been to America but what you described sounds like just a regular day there lol
WHITEyy6969
7 years ago
Imo muzzle flash is only an issue with iron sights. This is why I always loot for a sight to attach on most weapons, Wingman is ok without.
This is potentially a reason why it is a 'thing' as it makes you loot, similar to extended mags and barrel stabilisers. If these weren't required and you had everything off the bat why would you loot/kill others?
iBlockHead
7 years ago
I don't fully agree with this post as it says you should master it an all, which shouldn't be the case. The muzzle flash is really only noticeable without a scope of some kind. I play console and notice it myself when I don't use a scope. It's a good balance IMO.
Without the muzzle flash, people would loot a gun and begin dropping bodies because they can see perfectly, that's not cool. The scopes reduce flash so much and makes it fair so that you have to take time to look for a scope if you want to run out and start killing players.
I've had many times where I try to run and gun as soon as I get a run and that plan goes south real quick, and that's fair. When I take the time to look for a scope, any, and then run out and gun, things come out more successful.