Re: Ttk changes apex legends

@IfReborn 

Giving an example of a weak cheater using an aimbot does not prove the veracity of your words.
Already in the first seconds you can see that he cheats. The crosshair jumps to the model in the most obvious way ...
Try again.

@preyandplay i hate to say that but... that's exactly why we don't want lower ttk, you missed so many shots to not kill someone with a r99. But wanted the kill just because you got lucky.

@TrueDivinorium i'm not even that good and i have wiped 3 man squads solo. And he is not hacking in that video.  They are out there 5-10% of the players are hacking right now but he is not one.

@IfReborn wrong person? I mean only thing i said was that the dude that needed 1 clip of r99 and 2 peacekeeper shots in a sniper from behind missed alot of shots.

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@TrueDivinorium wrote:

@preyandplay i hate to say that but... that's exactly why we don't want lower ttk, you missed so many shots to not kill someone with a r99. But wanted the kill just because you got lucky.

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The Fact that you think that "unloading a magazine in his back" is missing shots is one of the biggest problems with this community.

Getting the jump on someone like that should be a kill in any game.

@LoganX1 

R-99

Pretty standard SMG that fires quickly and does low damage per bullet but is good if you can land all your shots. This uses light rounds and holds 18 in a magazine.

DESCRIPTION

Rapid-fire automatic SMG.

AVAILABLE SLOTS

• Barrel Attachment Slot
• Optic Attachment Slot
• Mag Attachment Slot
• Stock Attachment Slot

DAMAGE

• Bodyshot: 12 damage, DPS: 216
• Headshot: 18 damage, DPS: 324

18 rounds in a clip base is 216

30 rounds in an extended mag 360

You can take anyone in the game down with a base weapon in 1 second with this gun without even landing a head shot.  I hope they never support an i win button in this game.

@LoganX1 Unloading in his back kills. A r99 does more damage than a purple shielded guy has of health. That plus 2 peacekeeper shot.

The problem here is that he CLEARLY is missing shots, otherwise it would be a kill. But players want lower TTK to kill someone with 1/5 of their magazine.

And the fact that you want having luck be rewarded with a kill shows why lower TTK is horrible. Because it rewards players that are bad. That don't know anything about tactics or aim or anything in fact. they want to convert the luck of getting someone from behind in a kill. And that makes for * gameplay; because suddenly people will camp so potato aim number 3 doesn't have a chance of getting lucky and finding them from behind.

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@TrueDivinorium wrote:

@LoganX1 And the fact that you want having luck be rewarded with a kill shows why lower TTK is horrible. Because it rewards players that are bad. That don't know anything about tactics or aim or anything in fact. they want to convert the luck of getting someone from behind in a kill. And that makes for * gameplay; because suddenly people will camp so potato aim number 3 doesn't have a chance of getting lucky and finding them from behind.

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Why is catching someone unaware "luck"?  I think the 'bad' player in that scenario is the person who got caught with their pants down and they should get killed. That's on them.  Situational awareness and all.  They failed.

You're view of Skill and luck are pretty F'ed up.

It seems you just want the ability to counter someone who caught you unaware made eisier. How is that fair?

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@TrueDivinorium wrote:

@LoganX1But players want lower TTK to kill someone with 1/5 of their magazine.

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And this is CLEARLY you're embellishment of the situation, making assumptions, and spreading mis-information and lies.. That's NOT what people want and you know it.

@LoganX1Because "catching people unaware" in this game means you third partying a squad engaged with another. You already had the advantage of doing damage, and if you are good killing them, but you want more than that. You want a kill no matter what.

In a game like CS taking someone unaware is a thing, because they only have one team to fight against. In this game it's mostly luck. Even because if you got them unaware because of your "skills" i don't know how you was so unskilled that allowed said person to win the gun fight.

And stop that *, i'm tired of you saying it's not what people want. That's exactly what you want.

In the WORST case scenario the enemy had a purple armour and effective 200 health.

1 R99 clip is 216 damage.

2 peacekeeper pellets is 220 of damage.

436

With all that you killed the guy twice.

"It seems you just want the ability to counter someone who caught you unaware made easier. How is that fair?"

You already have the advantage of my position and started the fight with more health than me; you WASTED the chance to straight up kill me, and you think I want things easier?

You keep that * that "no one wants a easy kill". Them stop saying you want a free kill because you got someone with their back to you. 


PS: And i will make something very clear: If you have the "skill" to flank someone and catch them unaware you have the "skill" to kill said person and wouldn't be complaining about getting beaten when you already have such a huge advantage. Else you just got lucky.

I don't know what game you are playing but i tend to die a lot of times in under 2 seconds.  Not compelling considering it takes 3-5 min to get into a game.  time to die is already supper fast if you know what you are doing.

You just want it to be supper fast if you don't know what you are doing too.  loot boxes and lotto deaths.  Gaming in 2019

LoL.

Well, can't wait to see the player pool numbers by the Summer if this continues.

Game will be either dead or just Pros playing.  If you guys are good with that then more power to you.

I still say that the conversation is too big for Respawn to ignore.  If they do they will continue to lose players.

BFV: Firestorm is coming this month and the gameplay already looks better than Apex.

"The problem here is that he CLEARLY is missing shots, otherwise it would be a kill. But players want lower TTK to kill someone with 1/5 of their magazine."

You are looking for excuses for by force and you are lying to reality by matching it to your theories.
I stayed behind the player for a few seconds. I measured and emptied the entire magazine in his back. I have not missed a single time. Before the enemy could know what was going on, I managed to change my weapon and finish it the moment he turned around.
You can not miss it by standing less than half a meter behind the target.
But of course you know better, forcibly looking for excuses and not being able to accept reality.
They talk the same foolishly when I complain that I have recently been getting one full series with Devotion from a distance and I'm falling. And what do I hear? Of course, "git gud".
Pathetic.

For you, gentlemen, specialists, I have not played since yesterday, and in CS: GO I did not have a low rank at all ...

@preyandplay 

Listen, i will not discuss with you in these terms because i don't want to be banned from the forums because of you.

But there's people that can eliminate enemies from over 100 meters with a r301 in a single clip, i have seen it, i have friends that can do it, i've seen streamers that can do it. Yet i cannot do it.

What i CAN do is one clip people with the R99, it's something that normally i can do. But sometimes the potato takes control and i miss easy kills. 

I cannot get my head around the devotion, but the Havok i can kill people with a single clip from a considerable distance.

I also have seen cheaters and a lot of shenanigans in the game, i would argue that a HUGE streamer right now is using cheats. But if i cannot do something i don't assume that said thing is impossible.

But here we are, you saying that you are high rank in another game and you cannot "miss" standing less than half a meter behind the target, yet you needed 2 peacekeeper shots to finish the guy.

Maybe you are having some horrible package loss and somehow more than half of your hits aren't registering, but that's a problem that you are having. I have over 30 friends that play this game, from 4 different country.(SA, NA, EU and Asia)
I watch streams, i talk with people in discords, yet nobody ever said that they had over 50% of hits not registered. Literally, nobody. But that's the situation that you are trying to pass and because of that the game need lower TTK.

Even if you aren't making up stuff and somehow your game has 50% of the shots simply not registering, what it would mean for everyone else? So 7 bullets kill someone and with expanded mag i can kill someone with 1/5 of my mag. How is that a good plan?

And i don't even need to post a video of myself. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PmWeYvjqU

 Look at the fist 2 kills, It stopped registering damage halfway because the enemy was already dead/in the death animation.

Don't believe it? Search for R99 and you will see that stuff often. that's the experience most people have with it. But i'm the one lying and you are the one telling the truth. OK, then post a video of you playing. Because quite frankly. It's hard to tell that you are telling the truth when all the evidences post otherwise.

@preyandplay When I get shot from behind by someone I'm unaware of, even during movement, I often barely have time to turn around and get a single shot off before I'm downed. So if you somehow can't manage to kill someone sitting still, I don't know what to tell you but you're doing something wrong there. A full r-99 magazine to the upper body kills everyone if all the shots hit. You can calculate 12 damage per shot times 18 shots yourself if you don't believe it.

"But there's people that can eliminate enemies from over 100 meters with a r301 in a single clip, i have seen it, i have friends that can do it, i've seen streamers that can do it. Yet i cannot do it."

I belive anyone can kill anyone from over 100 meters with any weapon. With cheats. I everyday saw "semi-pro players" with R99, R-301, Devotion, who hit every bullet using full-auto from 50-100 meters.

Tell your friend to try to play without cheats.

@preyandplay 

Dude just watch the video i linked, it`s not that they are cheater, it`s you who thinks too much of yourself. And end up not improving because everyone better than you is a cheater.

1. Bullet velocity is quite wrong on some weapons, they drop way too fast, it`s like shooting peas.

2. This "time to kill" as you people call it is just absurd. It might be that the game is bugged, I don`t know.  Example : Frag grenade on guy with purple armor, full blast, a full mag of Peacekeeper and some shots from a teammate. To barely kill one guy...ONE. Explain that please.

Pretty easy to explain.

Grenades don't do that much damage 

You didn't hit any head shots or your body shots with the peace keeper were off. A bad shot with a peace keeper does 10 damage 

I can see the damage on the screen you know. The grenade alone did 100 dmg. But I digress.