Aim Assist Nerf
Please return aim assist to how it was. I've been playing this game for years and the aim assist nerf is making it so unplayable. It's turning into what Fortnite was when they nerfed aim assist, a M&...
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@markoon13 I normally play on switch, and I just started the pc version a couple weeks ago, so I practice everyday on the firing range (and bot royale) doing an occasional match or two when warmed up. I have to say I agree when I first went in after the nerf even the dummies were tougher to hit for controller. Balancing recoil with the stick has been difficult for me. I'm also practicing with MnK and it seems much easier to manage recoil with than on controller, which puzzles me why they would give controller a nerf.
Back in season 20 they nerfed aim assist for the Nintendo Switch joycon controller because the gyro/motion control gave a similar advantage that MnK has by allowing the player to just tilt the controller in the direction they are shooting to have virtually no recoil. What was tough for me when I first tried controller on pc was having to use the right thumbstick to control recoil when I'm not used to doing that, it was difficult for me so I thought MnK was easier even though I kept hitting the wrong buttons for things like shield batteries.
Anyway, I don't understand why they would nerf aim assist for controller either. MnK has many more advantages and is much easier in my opinion, you would think they would nerf that instead, especially since it's so similar to the switch joycon controller.
Back in season 20 they nerfed aim assist for the Nintendo Switch joycon controller because the gyro/motion control gave a similar advantage that MnK has by allowing the player to just tilt the controller in the direction they are shooting to have virtually no recoil. What was tough for me when I first tried controller on pc was having to use the right thumbstick to control recoil when I'm not used to doing that, it was difficult for me so I thought MnK was easier even though I kept hitting the wrong buttons for things like shield batteries.
Anyway, I don't understand why they would nerf aim assist for controller either. MnK has many more advantages and is much easier in my opinion, you would think they would nerf that instead, especially since it's so similar to the switch joycon controller.
Did you not read the patch notes?
- Console crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 18%
- Console performance mode crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 22%
- Controller on PC: Aim Assist strength reduced 25%
Dev Note: We value our accessibility as a cross-platform game, but it's equally important for us to monitor that ecosystem. Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong. Aim assist will never be removed as it's a critical accessibility feature. Console lobbies remain unaffected; this only impacts players on controllers in PC lobbies (our most competitive ecosystem). This change doesn't solve the intricacies of all aim assist hot topics, but it should help level the playing ground.
- @Rye-Sco I think both of us are in agreement that the devs felt it was too strong, which is why any game nerfs something, the question is why. I get it the top players feel it's an unfair advantage, but the stats and data they have are from top players who train for the game. Casual people who get together to play on a Saturday night aren't being factored in here. This is one reason I think the game needs an advanced version and a beginner version. Some don't like healthbars and red vision or other ways to reduce the difficulty for new or casuals, so maybe making a version for the pros would be a way to satisfy everyone.
@AymCTLIt was lowered because the data shows MnK players are losing more fights to controller players in Pc Lobbies.This is data they have looked at across all players not just Pros.
It's not anything anyone with half a brain cell did not know already...- @Rye-Sco One thing studying statistics has taught me is that data can be skewed by factors other than what is obvious. For instance, is the fact that MnK must perform more functions with the left hand than a controller player taken into account? Movement on MnK may be more broken, but requires much more coordination than controller? How about reflexes of controller players versus those of MnK? We have only two forms of input to judge against each other so naturally one will be higher than the other due to various factors, to say it is only aim assist that is the factor is making a large assumption about the data.
It is my personal opinion that MnK and controller should never play against each other anyway since both can have unfair advantages over the other in certain situations. I had one person I know was probably on MnK in mixtape doing tap strafing and crazy movement while shooting me at the same time from the air getting a perfect shot. Controller can no longer tap strafe after the change was made. (With the exception of the switch joycons that can tapstrafe by flicking the controller).
The stats werent just from top players, it was also replicated from 10.000 players on the custom R5 client, the whole of the leaderboards on PC and the DEVS own data, which most likely tracks across all ranks and encounters, showcase that it was too strong. 0.1 nerf is in all likelyhood not even going to be enough to change anything and for it to be fair they should completely remove it on pc for the competetive integrity of the game.
