FPS Strike pack / Cronus / XIM, etc.
Warning: tl;dr. I've been a ghost on these forums and across social media in general for the last year, specifically in the silent hope of finding some concrete, credible response from someone "in t...
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@Wingmannedbro So it's evident based on some of your responses that you're a XIM (mouse) user. I'm not really referring to that as being the biggest problem, of course providing the recoil is the same for you, and there are no rapid-fire macros enabled, etc. If, however, mouse users gain an advantage through being able to adjust and compensate for recoil far easier than possible on console, then I'm sorry but it's just simply not fair.
We're not talking about one player using a Dualshock 4 and the other using a Scuf here. We're talking about people using a modification to play others online that is still not actually allowed under the T&Cs and therefore must be added using a third-party method, and that's why it's a problem. It means that not everyone can just go to the store and come home with a PS4 mouse and keyboard and plug it in to "git gud", which means that people in the know, have that advantage over players that don't have the option.
Anyway I digress, I don't want to dissuade from my real problem which is anti-recoil. It's a cancer, it is in every single game I play now (and I'm really not exaggerating), it is GLARINGLY obvious and I'm immensely bored of players online being like "Bro it's called getting good and controlling recoil lmao". Because either they're trolling, fan boys, or the more likely option being they use the cheats themselves because they're equally cowardly and can't bear to admit it to the world because they'll be found out.
You head over to Twitch or whatever and see a lot of these streamers using the Strike Pack openly, encouraging people to buy it, claiming there are no repercussions etc. These people will be nobodies again if a ban comes into force, they'll be bang average at the game with no device keeping their aim steady for them, they'll all fade back into bitter anonymity whilst the rest of us can start enjoying true competition again and that'll be the most beautiful day since the game's release.
We're not talking about one player using a Dualshock 4 and the other using a Scuf here. We're talking about people using a modification to play others online that is still not actually allowed under the T&Cs and therefore must be added using a third-party method, and that's why it's a problem. It means that not everyone can just go to the store and come home with a PS4 mouse and keyboard and plug it in to "git gud", which means that people in the know, have that advantage over players that don't have the option.
Anyway I digress, I don't want to dissuade from my real problem which is anti-recoil. It's a cancer, it is in every single game I play now (and I'm really not exaggerating), it is GLARINGLY obvious and I'm immensely bored of players online being like "Bro it's called getting good and controlling recoil lmao". Because either they're trolling, fan boys, or the more likely option being they use the cheats themselves because they're equally cowardly and can't bear to admit it to the world because they'll be found out.
You head over to Twitch or whatever and see a lot of these streamers using the Strike Pack openly, encouraging people to buy it, claiming there are no repercussions etc. These people will be nobodies again if a ban comes into force, they'll be bang average at the game with no device keeping their aim steady for them, they'll all fade back into bitter anonymity whilst the rest of us can start enjoying true competition again and that'll be the most beautiful day since the game's release.
No, it is not evident from my responses i am a Xim user, I don't even play Apex, I play Fortnite with a mouse and keyboard natively.
But mouse transceivers have been around for quite a long time now, it's completely above ground, the demonstration and instruction video's can be viewed by anyone on Youtube, as well as the buyers reviews.
I have seen them, and im telling you straight up that no recoil don't work the way you think they do, and if you see players in games who seem to have little to no recoil, they probably use a mouse.
No recoil scripts don't allow the user to move the reticle, I have stated this before in my previous comment, if the people you spectate are able to move around their crosshairs while shooting to track running targets, that means they are NOT using no recoil scripts.
- @Wingmannedbro I can't really tell if you're even talking about the same problem here, because if you're referring to the anti-recoil on Strike Packs, like I am, then you should be aware that YES, THEY DO eliminate recoil. Have you ever seen one in action?
I recommend watching any of the umpteen videos on YouTube of players testing and recommending different settings for the Strike Pack. There are many videos showing the comparison between normal firing without touching the analogue stick, and firing using a mod without touching the analogue stick. It essentially ensures that each mod shoots any gun with pinpoint accuracy, so that when you DO use the analogue stick, the bullets laserbeam to the centre of your reticle every time.
This isn't really up for debate I'm afraid, because it is available for everyone to see and unfortunately even experience for themselves for a measly £40. There's a reason everyone is using them mate, and it's not just for the "extra paddles".
@littlxr wrote:
@WingmannedbroI can't really tell if you're even talking about the same problem here, because if you're referring to the anti-recoil on Strike Packs, like I am, then you should be aware that YES, THEY DO eliminate recoil. Have you ever seen one in action?I am literally facepalming right now. I have written 2 consecutive times now about how such no recoil scripts work, and that they suck really bad.
And yet here you are arguing that they do eliminate recoil, even tho i never said they did not, BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT, AND WILL NOT READ ANYTHING ANYONE WRITES.
Bye, you're impotent with rage, Anti recoil scripts are bad, they only work if you intent to shoot at a supply bin, a rock, or another object that doesn't move.
1 last time, Anti Recoil scripts DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO MOVE YOUR GUN ONCE YOU START SHOOTING, SO YOU CANNOT FOLLOW TARGETS AS THEY MOVE AROUND, THIS MEANS THAT THOSE SCRIPTS ONLY WORK ON SOMEBODY WHO IS AFK OR TRYING TO RECONNECT AND ON THOSE TARGETS YOU DONT BENEFIT FROM IT ANYWAY.
Hopefully you can read it this time, I tested anti recoil scripts personally, and they will absolutely make you lose more than win more.
Be my guest, use it, and see how good you think they are.
I was wondering how long it'd take before your obvious inner bitter, spoilt, self-entitled brat burst out from the seams.
FYI, I can read quite well. I read everything you wrote the first few times, across a few different threads - You're just incorrect, that's all. And shouting your beliefs isn't going to improve your error either. In reading your responses here and in other threads, what was immediately apparent was:
1) Your defensiveness towards any form of highlighting of cheating and mouse/keyboard users gaining an unfair advantage (because you have admitted that you are one of them).
2) Your inability to believe or consider truths that are not your own.
3) That you "don't even play Apex" despite your username, yet you are insistent on knowing how people shoot and use anti-recoil on PS4 with more apparent knowledge than I (someone who DOES actively play the game and have saved plenty of videos on my HDD of this occurring).
4) That everything is fine as long as you're enjoying, and that if there are players whose enjoyment is in contrast to your own due to something you use or support, then they must be wrong.
5) That you're incapable of understanding that my highlighting of anti-recoil isn't a desperate misguided whine, but a self-confessed plague that is out there for the entire world to use and see.
These mods are everywhere, they are encouraged, affiliated, and paraded by streamers and cheaters all over the globe due to their ability to make a useless player become highly competent overnight. I still cannot fathom why you think these things can be so popular if they make people worse at the game. Why do you think every teen is begging his mother for a strike pack these days? Why on earth would anti-recoil mods even exist and get tweaked every time there's a new Apex patch if they didn't actually work? I am honestly contemplating whether or not you're just trolling by this point. You do go on about Fortnite an awful lot after all.
Either way, if you're still genuinely seething with denial over there, here's another final video for you, pumpkin. One of a million videos out there that show self-confessed anti-recoil in action during matches, but I'm not doing the leg work and finding "better ones" for you. This one shows it well enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_HKj2y8qg
"Hopefully you can read it this time."
In a perfect word these cheaters would all be doxxed. Followed by a group of people visiting them. Then said group holding the offender down. While they use a pair of rusty pruning shears to clip off the pointer finger on both hands. Problem solved. 🙂
- @ColdHours Oh, at the very least, yeah.
@littlxr It's hard to say how widely used these things are to be honest.There are a lot of players who are also blaming the one hard to swallow fact, they got outplayed on these macro's.
I've been playing this game since quite early on, and i'll have this exact reaction sometimes, but taking the time to spectate really does tell if you've just been outplayed or not.
For me more often than it usually is that I've just been outplayed, but i have seen a number of players using these anti recoil scripts. I'm not sure whether i'd say its rampant but it's certainly an annoying issue.
The one thing i'll take from this topic though is that high levels of movement massively offset these macros which is pretty comforting to be honest....just gonna have to up my game on that front some more. 😉
Your information may be correct for the M&K / PC world but it is incorrect in regard to StrikePack macros on console. There are a myriad of YT videos showing StrikePack and other macro using add ons that cancel the recoil of Apex weapons. You have full movement capability and reticle control. The StrikePack uses a macro that mimics thumbstick movement exactly counter to the given weapons recoil pattern. If you add a barrel stabilzer for example and the macro is not set for it it well actual degrade your aim. As an Xbox player I dont recall ever running into the anti-recoil cheat but did report several ppl for the rapid fire cheat. The rapid fire macro cut the report of the shot short and you could hear the diffirance in a firefight. Since crossplay I run into no recoil cheaters fairly often. Apparently these StrikePacks are more prevelant in the Playstation community. If you watch a player, often after they have lasered you with the high recoil R99 from long distance, the use of the pack is pretty easy to spot. Because the recoil compensation is so good their reticle doesnt budge even during long bursts of fire. I follow both pro's and streamers and none of them have this level of recoil compensation. I generally report the player and then post a captured video on Apexes channel on Xvox live. I don't know that it makes a difference but eventually it will start hurting server pop levels and someone will do something
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