Re: Any skill based matchmaking?

Dear lord gamers these days,... Casuals wanting everything.
I WANT TO PLAY VS OTHER CASUALS, I WANT PEACEKEEPER REMOVED, I WANT TTK LOWER, I WANT MORE FREE APEX PACKS, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT...

The game is out for 10days.... 

These posts are so urghhhh... I'm casual and I get killed must be a hacker its not fair its not this or that. Maybe just maybe you get to try to get better?
Where is the time where gamers actually played games to have fun and IMPROVE...

I'm already calling this, when matchmaking is out, all of these casuals will start posting the typical posts: "OMG MATCHMAKING BROKEN, STUCK IN ELO HELL, PLEASE FIX, I'M A DIAMOND PLAYER STUCK IN SILVER CAUSE THIS MATCHMAKING IS BAD, NOT ME!!!

I literally don't have a problem with any of the other things you pointed out. I just want to play with people who are more around my skill level. Wanting to go at my own pace shouldn't be a big deal. I dont think ive ever seen a hacker yet. Just very skilled players. Not wanting to be fodder for people who have invested 10 or 100 times more time learning the ins and outs of every aspect of the game shouldn't be a big deal unless you're just worried about having to fight people of appropriate skill.

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@Joewlsi wrote:

Dear lord gamers these days,... Casuals wanting everything.
I WANT TO PLAY VS OTHER CASUALS, I WANT PEACEKEEPER REMOVED, I WANT TTK LOWER, I WANT MORE FREE APEX PACKS, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT...

The game is out for 10days.... 

These posts are so urghhhh... I'm casual and I get killed must be a hacker its not fair its not this or that. Maybe just maybe you get to try to get better?
Where is the time where gamers actually played games to have fun and IMPROVE...

I'm already calling this, when matchmaking is out, all of these casuals will start posting the typical posts: "OMG MATCHMAKING BROKEN, STUCK IN ELO HELL, PLEASE FIX, I'M A DIAMOND PLAYER STUCK IN SILVER CAUSE THIS MATCHMAKING IS BAD, NOT ME!!!

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Maybe if they would release games that were finished like they used to then we wouldn't need more content.

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@Joewlsi wrote:

Dear lord gamers these days,... Casuals wanting everything.
I WANT TO PLAY VS OTHER CASUALS, I WANT PEACEKEEPER REMOVED, I WANT TTK LOWER, I WANT MORE FREE APEX PACKS, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT...

The game is out for 10days.... 

These posts are so urghhhh... I'm casual and I get killed must be a hacker its not fair its not this or that. Maybe just maybe you get to try to get better?
Where is the time where gamers actually played games to have fun and IMPROVE...

I'm already calling this, when matchmaking is out, all of these casuals will start posting the typical posts: "OMG MATCHMAKING BROKEN, STUCK IN ELO HELL, PLEASE FIX, I'M A DIAMOND PLAYER STUCK IN SILVER CAUSE THIS MATCHMAKING IS BAD, NOT ME!!!

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Maybe if they would release games that were finished like they used to then we wouldn't need more content.

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Maybe they never released f2p games back in the days? 😕
If you would state this when you had to pay to play the game, sure. But its f2p ... give them a break lol

How * hard is it to make a algorithm to make ppl who have played 1-5 hrs against eachother? .. i am getiing SICK och playing against 4531257 kills ppl

Just shut up... I have a life i work 8-10 hrs per day.. i dont have the luxury to grind a game 10-15 hrs a day,, but when i do get a chance to play i want to play with ppl like me 10-15 hrs a week .. let the no lifers play out there live online.. if apex dont implement anything like that it will die faster than pubg.. i give it 2 months.. tops.. Out for 10 days..  jeez you dont think its an yeasy algorithm to match make.. joewslsi .. stop typing in caps.. stop being so salty.. its ok to make demands on a game that have millions of players in a few days.. coz otherwise theyll loose em.. xx

SgtSweede77 and Loth are right. Playing against much higher level players with hundreds of more kills than I have is just not fun. Until they implement some sort of skill-based Matchmaker, I'm just going to head back to Overwatch. Being a F2P game is zero excuse for not having a proper matchmaking system. Hell, Heroes of the Storm is F2P and had it. Ditto for League of Legends, and others. It's been done. F2P is not an excuse for not having it.

The problem is that People like me and my friends Who are  30+ years old that we have being playing video games since the Atari or NES  but that rigth now we have Jobs and family to take cate of, we cant play in a regular basis perhaps 1 our per Day if we are Lucky, we cant compite against People Who have already 200+ hours of game play, we cant inprove as fast as this youngters and is frustating that we love the game but is getting boring because 90% of the time is the same result, please EA think about us first generation gamers that dont have the time anymore to practice a lot but love video games. 

How do people complain about mmr in this BR but every other BR I've played literally doesn't have any MMR either? I mean...what? lol. Also do you know how crap waiting in que would become with mmr? Right now the games would be fast cause of all the players but as the numbers decline and become more stable to people who actually are going to fully dedicate MM is going to take a few minutes at a time to find especially with everyone in different divisions. It's like high tier LoL it takes WAY longer to find a match then when your in silver/gold. Game is suppose to be fast paced and quick not sit and wait especially when you can be taken out almost immediately.

Trust me though I felt the same way considering this was my first BR except pubg but I hated pubg and almost NEVER played it. So when people who've lived on BR's or other fast paced games wrecked me I felt horrid but I just kept playing and watching streamers, learning good movement which guns/attachments to go for and now I can handle myself much better, my aim is getting smoother better lasering. It'll suck but honestly dedicate a full day 8-12 hours and by the next day you'll be insanely better.

If you say well you don't have time for that, then you can't really complain that you get wrecked? You play for fun while the others are playing more competitively or for a stream so they need to be good and streamers make a living off of it (good ones anyway) But whats the point of MMR if you don't plan on every progressing anyway? Most games with an MMR system have rank decay and if your not pushing those long hours even if you manage to hit a high rank you'll still get destroyed because most people there put in WAY more hours overall unless your just a natural that somehow turned into a god. Because obviously ranks cap at some point right? There aren't unlimited ranks. 

Also I'm sure they'll be adding all different kinds of modes for people later on, the game is still in it's baby stages. You guys need to relax and just chill out for awhile. This will probably be closer to 3-6 months of work in progress before THOSE kinds of changes come, we'll likely get solo's/duo's before anything MMR related if EVER get anything MMR related.

WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE GAME, is a practice mode where you can just invite a bunch of your friends to run around the map, learn spots/flanks/practice aim. Maybe even have a respawn in the practice mode so that you don't have to restart when you guys kill each other maybe even a firing range similiar to the tutorial but with moving targets (randomly generated movement) Maybe bots?  Where you can change difficulty or set them to no aggro so you can just focus on lasering/aiming.

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@Joewlsi wrote:

Dear lord gamers these days,... Casuals wanting everything.
I WANT TO PLAY VS OTHER CASUALS, I WANT PEACEKEEPER REMOVED, I WANT TTK LOWER, I WANT MORE FREE APEX PACKS, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT...

The game is out for 10days.... 

These posts are so urghhhh... I'm casual and I get killed must be a hacker its not fair its not this or that. Maybe just maybe you get to try to get better?
Where is the time where gamers actually played games to have fun and IMPROVE...

I'm already calling this, when matchmaking is out, all of these casuals will start posting the typical posts: "OMG MATCHMAKING BROKEN, STUCK IN ELO HELL, PLEASE FIX, I'M A DIAMOND PLAYER STUCK IN SILVER CAUSE THIS MATCHMAKING IS BAD, NOT ME!!!

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You calling people casual.  But you are the one who sounds noncompetitive and unsportlike...

Did you miss the posts from the above avg players who don't want to play unchallenging matches against noobs either?  Did you see the other threads from them?

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@VisualfEX wrote:

How do people complain about mmr in this BR but every other BR I've played literally doesn't have any MMR either? I mean...what? lol. Also do you know how crap waiting in que would become with mmr? Right now the games would be fast cause of all the players but as the numbers decline and become more stable to people who actually are going to fully dedicate MM is going to take a few minutes at a time to find especially with everyone in different divisions. It's like high tier LoL it takes WAY longer to find a match then when your in silver/gold. Game is suppose to be fast paced and quick not sit and wait especially when you can be taken out almost immediately.

Trust me though I felt the same way considering this was my first BR except pubg but I hated pubg and almost NEVER played it. So when people who've lived on BR's or other fast paced games wrecked me I felt horrid but I just kept playing and watching streamers, learning good movement which guns/attachments to go for and now I can handle myself much better, my aim is getting smoother better lasering. It'll suck but honestly dedicate a full day 8-12 hours and by the next day you'll be insanely better.

If you say well you don't have time for that, then you can't really complain that you get wrecked? You play for fun while the others are playing more competitively or for a stream so they need to be good and streamers make a living off of it (good ones anyway) But whats the point of MMR if you don't plan on every progressing anyway? Most games with an MMR system have rank decay and if your not pushing those long hours even if you manage to hit a high rank you'll still get destroyed because most people there put in WAY more hours overall unless your just a natural that somehow turned into a god. Because obviously ranks cap at some point right? There aren't unlimited ranks. 

Also I'm sure they'll be adding all different kinds of modes for people later on, the game is still in it's baby stages. You guys need to relax and just chill out for awhile. This will probably be closer to 3-6 months of work in progress before THOSE kinds of changes come, we'll likely get solo's/duo's before anything MMR related if EVER get anything MMR related.

WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE GAME, is a practice mode where you can just invite a bunch of your friends to run around the map, learn spots/flanks/practice aim. Maybe even have a respawn in the practice mode so that you don't have to restart when you guys kill each other maybe even a firing range similiar to the tutorial but with moving targets (randomly generated movement) Maybe bots?  Where you can change difficulty or set them to no aggro so you can just focus on lasering/aiming.

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umm.  stopped reading after no other BR has mmr.   Pubg has skill match making.  Even region locks.   And respawn does such a great job with titanfall 2's matchmaker.  They could probably do one way better then pubg.

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@Priestude wrote:
PUBG's matchmaking is prioritizing speed. Last time I checked I had 99% skill spread in almost every game.

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I never played pubg,  but I read its skill based and they region lock.

I really think this game needs a ranked match maker bad and/or tier system just to stop all the dam hackusation threads that are getting out of hand.  I never thought I'd say this since I'm usually the one accused of being a hackusator lol.

I always considered quitting cheating,  but in apex I'm for quitting in many situations, because the dam community is so noob and toxic.    And i actually don't think cheating is a huge problem in apex when in most games I do lmao...  Again,  that just goes to show how horribly noobish this community is.

Apex has really blown my mind.

Can literally see both sides of the argument. It’s been popping up on fortnite for months to (I think it actually needs it now as the skill gap is astronomical even for OG players if not playing every day). Personally for me I’m not finding the standard to high to compete yet- I’m on PS4 and don’t get to play to much due to having a 1 year old. When I get on I’m either hot or cold but can hold my own against most players. I even find a lot of high levels complete trash due to arrogance and just dropping on their own thinking they are shroud. I think it could possibly throw between level 0-25 into separate beginner lobbies or something to learn the ropes, once you are getting up to this level you should be able to compete IMO. 

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@Joewlsi wrote:

Dear lord gamers these days,... Casuals wanting everything.
I WANT TO PLAY VS OTHER CASUALS, I WANT PEACEKEEPER REMOVED, I WANT TTK LOWER, I WANT MORE FREE APEX PACKS, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT...

The game is out for 10days.... 

These posts are so urghhhh... I'm casual and I get killed must be a hacker its not fair its not this or that. Maybe just maybe you get to try to get better?
Where is the time where gamers actually played games to have fun and IMPROVE...

I'm already calling this, when matchmaking is out, all of these casuals will start posting the typical posts: "OMG MATCHMAKING BROKEN, STUCK IN ELO HELL, PLEASE FIX, I'M A DIAMOND PLAYER STUCK IN SILVER CAUSE THIS MATCHMAKING IS BAD, NOT ME!!!

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Gamers these days?  I was playing Doom when id fiirst came out with it and you had to play with friends physically in the same room.  You inherited this from us, not the other way around.  You're welcome that we begged your grandparents to spend money on this industry and grow it to what it is.

Then I grew up and had to get a job . Now I'm married with responsibilities.  I can't play 10 hours a day but still would like a game to be FUN when I have the time and money to invest in a game.  I do not have fun with people teaming up outside of the game, segregating their finely tuned skill over years of practice, and leaving the newbs to be rolled over.  How am I supposed to develop muscle memory when I can't get 10 shots off at a moving target without being bopped? 

I don't mind having to practice to get good but in game training is completely inadequate to actual gameplay.  I've watched the videos, I've done the drills.  There is no getting better without experiential learning and adults can't dedicate that kind of time to that.  That sucks for the developers cause we generally have more money to spend on mindless entertainment than kids.  I want to enjoy this game, but being level 30 with fewer than 50 kills is pathetic. 

I recognize this, and I'd like to improve.  MOBA's set up ways to improve through skill based matchmaking, and if you want me to take my money back there, I will.  But recognize that's what you're saying to people you spent marketing dollars to reach... Go play another genre if you can't put in the time to survive past a 15 second firefight you get to experience once every 8 minutes.  

At this point I've uninstalled.  The community elsewhere online basically told me to quit, so I have.  But I'll be back if I can play with players of my skill level, against players of my skill level.  For now, bye.