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gg123xyz
5 years ago
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watch my game and how i die then tell my how to do better

i die in the field. i don't know what to do my team is getting fried and im down hill and i don't see the enemy but they see me.

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  • maximas1986's avatar
    maximas1986
    5 years ago
    @gg123xyz try enabling the auto sprint, it will help you a lot
    as @Koochi-Q said, visit the firing range every day before you start your session.
    train with your favorite combo without attachments with 600 to 700 bullets and try to get at least 270 damage with one clip without missing, after a while try hitting only the center of the target.
    I like your hip fire, work on improving it, I find hip firing very important.
    I never ADS ( aim down sight ) on close-range targets.
    as @Zero-Loot5 said "1.) Movement. Movement. Movement" movement is the key, it's the most important aspect in this game.
    train yourself to strafe left and right while shooting as a start, then move to strafe and crouch, then add a jump to the combination.
    jump, crouch then strafe.
    never get back to the fight without full shield and health when (it's possible), before you get knocked I think you should have rotated from the middle to the other side using the zipline and make a surprise attack front the upper left even if that means you have to leave to teammates to die which they already dead but you can always collect the banners and respawn them
    if you like you can watch some videos and learn some moves or maybe you can watch my video :P, I take pride of my hip firing and I think you really have the potential for the same
    https://youtu.be/n1NQ_EsfeuQ





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  • Zero-Loot5's avatar
    Zero-Loot5
    5 years ago

    OK a few things: 


    1.) Movement. Movement. Movement. Currently you're still playing in beginner Lobbies so you can easily survive encounters without much movement cause people just have garbage aim. But in order to better survive a 1 vs.1 (meaning you take less damage while fighting an enemy) you have to move. The basic is A-D-Strafing (name literally says what you have to do: when standing in front of an enemy you press the "A" and "D" button continuously so that you're harder to hit; on console you just move your stick left and right), the more advanced version is crouchstrafing where you add crouching to your A-D-Strafing. While going left-right-left-right... you also crouch and stand up again quickly. I see it again and again that people just miss all their shots. Better players obviously hit more but more than enough I have encountered former preds that just miss their shots and then die. 

    This video shows this very well: https://youtu.be/n9SplLKGh-o

    The Wraith that I am fighting is a former Pred with ~16.000 Kills. Yet she got smoked cause she missed her shots. I mean granted I also miss a lot but tbh that's because the Spitfire is garbage in Hipfire in general. When you crouchstrafe you hit maybe 1 out of 10 shots. But also I've gotten better by now 😉 
    This video also shows how crouchstrafing can help you avoid getting hit: https://youtu.be/F00Z7JHEaQw (I die in the end but there is only so much you can do)

    2.) The way you approach enemies. A squad should always stay together. If you then encounter an enemy you can focus fire them and how long will an enemy with maybe blue shield stand when 3 people shoot at the same time? Not very long if the people hit something. Do that and boom, it's 3 vs. 2 already. If possible kill the knocked enemy instantly to prevent them from getting revived again. Shooting a knocked enemy also tells you if they have a golden knockdown shield cause they are forced to use it. If not they are dead anyway and it doesn't matter anymore. But if you shoot them and you see that they got a golden Knockdown shield you can try to kill em asap or at least keep them on your mind. 

    3.) Communicate. Communicate where you want to go. What weapons do you have? Does anyone need anything else? In case you're fighting enemies: Communicate what shield and gun they have. How much damage you already dealt to them. Which enemies is going where? Call all kinds of details. You and your mates need as much info as possible to determine the best approach. If a squad attacks you and, say, the bloodhound of the team is like 40m away from the other 2 and one of you deals him 80dmg to a blue shield just quickly tell your teammates "The bloodhound got 80 on a blue shield! He's cracked! Push him he's alone!!". I mean what do you think will the bloodhound do? Smoke all 3 of you while only having like 90HP? That might happen in advanced lobbies when a good player has a lucky/amazing moment. But usually that means the end for the enemy. And then it's already 2 vs. 3 again - advantage for you.

    4.) Don't stick to disadvantageous fights. You encountered an enemy squad that had highground and better cover. That's another disadvantage apart from the fact that you split up and let them smoke you 1 by 1. First bloodhound pushed in solo and got killed, then you got shot low because you were in the open without cover and you had lowground and then your last mate got pushed and killed. 

    5.) Work with grenades. Grenades can be used to scatter enemy squads. An enemy that has your frag grenade right under their a$$ can't shoot you. They are busy with running away. Thermites can be used to stall enemies cause usually enemies abstain from walking through a thermite (at least in advanced Lobbies, not sure if newbies think like that as well). And Arc Stars are ideal to destroy doors. Ever had the situation that you got an enemy REALLY low? But in the last second with maybe 20HP left they rescue themselves into a building and they take a Phoenix kit behind the door but you can't kick the door in cause if you do they will shoot you first and possibly kill you? Throw an Arc Star or a Thermite to destroy the door. Now they are either forced to run further and escape you long enough to take a bat or so, or they have to fight you with like 20HP which will probably result you winning that 1 vs. 1. 

    6.) Shield Swap if possible, especially during a fight. You fight someone and your purple body shield is gone. You try to run away for a second to reload your gun and reset the fight a little. There is no time take a shield bat, let alone 3 or 4 cells. But you DO run across a new, full white body shield. What do you do? Take it and push the enemy that is still hurt from your fight. You got an extra 50HP again because of the new shield. In a fight, a fresh white shield is better than a cracked purple shield. Additionally it might also startle the enemy cause they think "Ha! I broke their body shield" but then you suddenly have a new body shield. This element of surprise could help you win the fight.

    7.) Better aim is also useful/necessary but that simply requires training/routine. I started playing M&K shooters with Apex. So at the beginning I was pretty garbage. But after a total of around 2200hrs I'd say my aim is pretty decent. 

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    5 years ago
    @gg123xyz First I’d like to say... if my lobbies were like this I would’ve quit long ago xD. The first 2 teams were so comically bad that I’m wondering if Apex really started out like that almost 2 years ago XD.

    Okay on to improvement, not noting stuff Zero has said cause he makes good points:

    1) Visit the firing range and test all guns stationary first. Shoot at the target squares first, then to moving ones from same distance to get a sense of your sensitivity. Feel if it’s right for you or needs to be adjusted.

    Staying on Firing Range topic, shoot at the dummies with different weapons at different ranges while ADS’ing and while hipfiring to know how the guns behave. Also obv use different accessories to get a feel how the guns change depending on their new attachments.

    Lastly in Firing range, pattern recognizing. Shoot at walls in hipfire and ADS without controlling recoil first and look at the pattern. Now do the same with controlling recoil from different ranges and using different attachments. The closer the bullets together, the better you are.
    If at some point you find for a certain gun that the spread is too large at a certain point, you know your effective range for that gun ^.^

    2) Never, and I mean NEVER use the replicator the way you used it in that vid. In most lobbies someone would’ve sniped at you or downed you in that time... quite easily. People always look towards fallen-from-the-sky replicators cause ppl actually use them.
    IF you need to use one, look beforehand what’s inside them by opening your map. The only things that change in them are the dailies and weeklies. The other stuff (upgrade armor, medkit, shield battery & ammo restock (20 for each ammotype gun you’re carrying if I’m correct)) are always the same.

    3) If possible, always fully heal up.

    4) When outnumbered, either stick to the one hurt person or engage multiple. In this one you were 1v2’ing and you managed, just cause these guys were lousy. In most cases you’d be dead... BUT you held your own well. If something like that happens and you have ordnances, use 1 or multiple to cut the excess enemies(‘ views) off from the fight.

    5) Always run... I found the game moving so slow until I figured ‘this person’s not running! No wonder it seems like it’s moving slow’. Only walk when near another squad it when you think you hear something.

    Other than that you did well ;D
  • maximas1986's avatar
    maximas1986
    5 years ago
    @gg123xyz try enabling the auto sprint, it will help you a lot
    as @Koochi-Q said, visit the firing range every day before you start your session.
    train with your favorite combo without attachments with 600 to 700 bullets and try to get at least 270 damage with one clip without missing, after a while try hitting only the center of the target.
    I like your hip fire, work on improving it, I find hip firing very important.
    I never ADS ( aim down sight ) on close-range targets.
    as @Zero-Loot5 said "1.) Movement. Movement. Movement" movement is the key, it's the most important aspect in this game.
    train yourself to strafe left and right while shooting as a start, then move to strafe and crouch, then add a jump to the combination.
    jump, crouch then strafe.
    never get back to the fight without full shield and health when (it's possible), before you get knocked I think you should have rotated from the middle to the other side using the zipline and make a surprise attack front the upper left even if that means you have to leave to teammates to die which they already dead but you can always collect the banners and respawn them
    if you like you can watch some videos and learn some moves or maybe you can watch my video :P, I take pride of my hip firing and I think you really have the potential for the same
    https://youtu.be/n1NQ_EsfeuQ





  • maximas1986's avatar
    maximas1986
    5 years ago

    I was hoping no one will notice my intentions ☹️ 

    damn you koochi :P

  • gg123xyz's avatar
    gg123xyz
    5 years ago
    @maximas1986 i think when you fight close range you move in at a angle forward and at a 45 degree angle from the opponent, the counter is to move forward at an angle thats advantageous.

    the hill was the problem i tried to counter by moving forward at a 45 degree or so angle, but i think it should have been closer to 90 or 100 degrees up the hill. not directed towards them but away from them and up the hill.

    but i like all your answers too.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    5 years ago
    @gg123xyz What others have said basically. I noticed a few small things that will help too:

    On the jump you didnt go to a building or a box as you landed. You were actually in the open. Always land on a spot that should have loot.

    I also saw you run 1 gun for quite awhile, even after killing 3 people that had guns. And even after looting you still ran without shotgun ammo for a huge amount of time.

    Also you were 25 from purple shield at one point and used a battery to do one tick of a blue shield. I would have waited.

    I know others questioned your opponents but you can only kill what's in front of you and you're at a level that gets you those. Soon that will change so doing things others have mentioned will help a lot.