@EA_Groguet @cm_caseyringley hey, beautiful initiative there! I can't overstate how glad I am for seeing this little Q&A tradition being picked up 🫶
\n\nCasey, will we finally be able to break away from the unrealistic \"meta\" of RRLL/LLRR geometry settings now with the new suspension kinematics?
\n\nThe setup window for those parameters naturally isn't what wide, but the community has been hung up on those unintentionally binary parameters for so long that people has long neglected the benefits of say rear toe for handling stability or camber for correct tyre temp profile.
\nOh yeah, I wouldn't expect that kind of setup to give happy results this year. The tyres have seen a particularly big effort into better modeling of camber thrust and other effects and you'd be giving up a ton of cornering performance for a small gain in longitudinal grip by running them with as little camber as possible. You'll feel significantly more effect on handling balance by changing camber now. (spoiler: it was mostly placebo effect before)
\n\nToe angle will see similar changes in setup approach due to the new kinematics and how it all combines with other aspects of your setup. You could run very little rear toe for extra rotation on entry, but this might work best in combination with a setup that is soft in roll so there is enough suspension movement and bump steer to add a little stability mid-corner. A setup that is more focused on aero will be lower and stiffer and might benefit from a little more static rear toe-in because it won't see as much toe gain with suspension travel in corners. We've been finding the cars are very responsive to setup changes in internal testing.
\n\nRelated thing on toe angle: We're showing combined toe in the tuning UI this year instead of single wheel toe. So a value of 0.1° single-wheel toe from F1 23 would read at 0.2° combined toe in F1 24. Just kind of a personal preference thing and I've seen more real setup sheets specify combined toe than the other way around.
\n\nOne other suspension tuning change has happened which I think will help with building your setups: We've made the Front/Rear Suspension work mainly on the heave/3rd spring element. This means the suspension stiffness is primarily for heave and ride height control while anti-roll bars adjust stiffness in pure roll. This is closer to how the real teams make setup adjustments and means you won't unintentionally add a ton of rear roll stiffness by adding rear spring for ride height control in a straight line.
","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-24-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8356145"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"cm_caseyringley"},"postTime":"2024-04-29T19:27:39.107+01:00","kudosSumWeight":13}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMXwyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwy","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":8356154,"body":"Hi @cm_caseyringley ,
I hope you are finding yourself at home as I was at Codemasters and the F1 team.
One question about Force Feedback, as I presume that there won't be any metrics in the OSD to show FFB clipping/saturating.
What is the highest value for the general force feedback strength before the signal gets oversaturated?
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@mariohomoh wrote:
\n@cm_caseyringley now that we're taking a closer look at ERS again, any plans on opening the flood gates and allowing custom deploymant maps for a GP weekend?
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(Mercedes F1 casually dropping it while explained derating)
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(Yelistener underrated F1 gem)
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I see we watch the same YouTube 🙂 Yelistener's channel was a very useful reference point for some changes we made this year. Next you'll tell me you also spend way too much time on the f1technical forums.
\n\nSo we haven't gone so far as custom ERS deploy maps per track like this yet, but the concept is definitely on my radar with the 2026 regs meaning energy management will be more important than ever. That would be a massive set of new UI tools and displays to teach the player, though, so we need to think hard about the design and how best to implement the idea.
\n\nWhat we have given you for 24 is a lot more control over how energy is deployed and harvested through two controls everyone already understands well: throttle input and the overtake button. The most important part of this is that torque demand from throttle input now asks for it from the power unit sequentially, V6 first and MGU-K second. This means that if you're driving at 75% throttle and requesting 675hp, it will get that all from the V6 alone since it is capable of about 740hp maximum rather than throttling both the V6 and MGU-K to 75%. Only once you take the power demand over what the V6 can achieve will it start adding power from the MGU-K. Here's what that looks like in a power vs throttle chart at a specific rpm,
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What this means you aren't wasting precious battery energy at part throttle, but it also means you now have the power to manually de-rate the engine by partially lifting off throttle. You'll see in the chart above that between about 72-82% throttle input, the V6 is churning away at maximum power but the MGU-K is not deploying any energy. You can use this as a strategy at the end of straights or before certain braking zones to send all energy the MGU-H is harvesting straight into the battery rather than diverting most or all of it to the MGU-K. Can be a really effective way to save up a bit more energy while behind a car so you can then burn overtake longer and get the pass completed.
\n\nThe other big change we've made is allowing manual overtake use in qualifying. HotLap mode itself will try to use the full 4.0MJ deploy allowance from ES to MGU-K per lap, but assuming you start the lap with a full 4.0MJ battery that leaves another 2.0-3.0MJ on the table depending on how much you harvest from the MGU-K and -H during the lap. This is where some strategic use of overtake on a push lap can gain you additional lap time. The examples in yelistener's videos all show automatic deployment of overtake to do this, but you can do the same exact idea with a manual press of the button.
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@GladiatorX_06 wrote:
@EA_Groguet @cm_caseyringley Appreciate the opportunity to be able to have direct contact with the devs. My question to you Casey is whether you could give advice on how to approach making a set-up. What things should I change first and also when i make changes, how many laps should i run to test them? Thanks!👍
David's guide from last year which ScarDuck shared is still very much relevant. Mario's post with that video is also an excellent reference point. I'll add a few notes for differences in tuning ranges this year.
\n\nDifferential: Major improvements to the model have led to a wider tuning range this year, now going from 10-100% locking. These numbers don't directly translate from F1 23, so use the tuning presets as a starting point. For instance, 50% 'lock' in F1 23 was effectively like 0% lock (fully open diff) in F1 24. For F1, the number you set is now a target for how much wheel speed difference the active differential will try to remove. For F2 and their clutch-type differential, it is a fraction of the input torque which applies locking across the axles. In general, more on-throttle lock means more rotation and power oversteer on corner exits. More off-throttle lock means more stability and understeer on corner entry.
Front ride height: Tuning UI values are approximately the ride height at each axle in mm. 25-35 is a safe value at the front for bumpy tracks, but lower is better for downforce if you're ok with running a stiffer suspension. Too low and you risk scraping the plank, losing control of the front tyres, and/or losing top speed while dragging the floor.
\n\nRear ride height: Very dependent on the track. You generally want the rear low at high speed for good aero and can get there multiple ways. I'm a fan of running it higher and softer - maybe 70-75mm with lower spring stiffness - for good mechanical grip at low speed while sitting in the aero sweet spot during cornering. The compromise here is you tend to have higher aero drag due to increased chassis rake. Running lower at 50-60mm with much stiffer springs can work well too. The handling will be sharper at the limit with less traction out of slow corners, but you will have more aero performance on average.
\n\nTyre pressure: Lower is better for grip...Pirelli set minimum pressures and not maximum for a reason. Generally the faster the circuit, the higher the tyre pressure you will want to run. This can be especially useful for managing tyre temperatures as higher pressure means less flex in the tyre, less rolling resistance, and therefore less heat generated.
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@mariohomoh wrote:
\n\nRegarding this part though:
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\nThe other big change we've made is allowing manual overtake use in qualifying. HotLap mode itself will try to use the full 4.0MJ deploy allowance from ES to MGU-K per lap, but assuming you start the lap with a full 4.0MJ battery that leaves another 2.0-3.0MJ on the table depending on how much you harvest from the MGU-K and -H during the lap. This is where some strategic use of overtake on a push lap can gain you additional lap time. The examples in yelistener's videos all show automatic deployment of overtake to do this, but you can do the same exact idea with a manual press of the button.
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\n\nAre we still working in the confines of the technical regs?
\n\n\nMy understanding is that the power deployment from ES > MGU-K > crankshaft is hardcapped at 4MJ per lap. The MGU-H > MGU-k > crankshaft deployment isn't restricted though.
\nSimilarly with the harvesting: MGU-K > ES hardcapped at 2MJ/lap, but unrestricted harvesting from the MGU-H.
\n\nBy strategic use of the overtake button, you mean tapping from the MGU-H? Or from the ES when the Hotlap mapping leaves some of those 4MJ in the bank?
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We're 100% compliant with the regulations. I mean sending power to the MGU-H when overtake is active. In this example, we've already capped out our 4MJ from ES > MGU-K but have some energy left sitting in the battery due to what we've harvested over the lap. What can we do with that since our target for a single push lap is to leave nothing on the table? We can send it to the MGU-H and run in e-supercharger mode. There's no limit on how much energy we can send while doing this, and running the turbo like this means we can fully open the wastegate, removing a lot of exhaust back pressure and gaining power at the crankshaft thanks to reduced pumping losses through the turbo. This pulls a lot of power from the ES - it takes somewhere around 100kW to run the turbo to full boost - but being able to do that and have a completely free-flowing exhaust adds roughly 100hp at the crank. It's how they get from around 900hp in normal running (740hp V6 + 160hp MGU-K) to the peak power claims over 1000hp. You just can't do it for very long as a 220kW draw will drain the battery pretty fast.
\n\nLooked at adding the sneaky modes of extra harvest where energy goes MGU-K > MGU-H > ES and extra deploy which, in theory, could do unlimited ES > MGU-H > MGU-K, but I don't think either are used in practice. Honda published info a while back on how they did the extra harvest mode, but it feels risky from a reliability POV and I think they've just generally improved other areas of the system such that it's not really needed.
\n\n\nGreat points about how we educate the player base about all this stuff. Most I can do right now is provide decent baseline setups, advise on UI tool tips, and answer questions here while hoping people don't just load up exploit setups from the past expecting they will still work exactly the same way. Definitely a big area to focus on and keep an eye on which areas people end up talking about most once they get hands on the new models.
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Hello drivers!
\n\nWe hope you are very excited for the upcoming F1® 24 game!
\n\nLast week we released the F1® 24 Reveal Trailer and today we have revealed our F1®️ 24 Dynamic Handling article.
\n\nThere are a lot of exciting things happening, and to keep the wheels going we are going to host a Q&A with Casey Ringley [ @cm_caseyringley ] (Sr. Game Designer - Lead Vehicle Handling)! Here's a little bit from him!
\n\n\"My background and education is in mechanical engineering, where I had planned to get into motorsport chassis design. When starting university, some very smart people in the industry advised me to learn everything I could about simulation engineering as it was the future of the sport. I found the best way to do this was creating mods for sims like EA’s F1 2002 which led to a career in game design. Feels like I’ve come full circle now that 20 years later, I have joined the Codemasters F1 team. I am excited for you to try the new handling when the game is out, in the meantime, happy to answer your question.\"
\n\nPlease, post your questions below and we'll collect them during the week for Casey to answer. He'll get through as many as he can!
\n\nBefore starting, here are some quick guidelines:
\n\nThere are some things he cannot answer, such is the nature of game development.
\nYou can throw in some fun questions too! Favourite cars, F1 memories, F1 pilots...
\nAs always, keep things fun, fair and respectful.
\nThank you in advance for submitting questions and taking part! We hope to bring you more in the future and look forward to chatting with you all!
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\n\nWe hope you are very excited for the upcoming F1® 24 game!
\n\nLast week we released the F1® 24 Reveal Trailer and today we have revealed our F1®️ 24 Dynamic Handling article.
\n\nThere are a lot of exciting things happening, and to keep the wheels going we are going to host a Q&A with Casey Ringley [ @cm_caseyringley ] (Sr. Game Designer - Lead Vehicle Handling)! Here's a little bit from him!
\n\n\"My background and education is in mechanical engineering, where I had planned to get into motorsport chassis design. When starting university, some very smart people in the industry advised me to learn everything I could about simulation engineering as it was the future of the sport. I found the best way to do this was creating mods for sims like EA’s F1 2002 which led to a career in game design. Feels like I’ve come full circle now that 20 years later, I have joined the Codemasters F1 team. I am excited for you to try the new handling when the game is out, in the meantime, happy to answer your question.\"
\n\nPlease, post your questions below and we'll collect them during the week for Casey to answer. He'll get through as many as he can!
\n\nBefore starting, here are some quick guidelines:
\n\nThere are some things he cannot answer, such is the nature of game development.
\nYou can throw in some fun questions too! Favourite cars, F1 memories, F1 pilots...
\nAs always, keep things fun, fair and respectful.
\nThank you in advance for submitting questions and taking part! We hope to bring you more in the future and look forward to chatting with you all!
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Given the increased focus on the rake of the car, will there be data in the UDP so we can know when the car has bottomed out?
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Make sure to also check out our latest Gameplay Deep Dive that gives a lot of insights into this year's handling as well.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/GET-TO-GRIPS-WITH-EA-SPORTS-DYNAMIC-HANDLING-IN-F1-24/td-p/13671991
@cm_caseyringleywith the newly simulated slipstream will we get a realistic length of slipstream/dirty air (4-5s) or still only 1.5s?
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I would like to know, given that today I have IAS technologies in several sectors, with games preparing conversations between NPCs in a course in conversations and interviews. So here is my question.
F1 2024, we will have realistic and dynamic AI, as well as in options to give interviews, as in running on the track, with each drivers, having an individual personality and procedural life of realism in various conditions, with competitiveness, less run over without receiving punishments in Accidents, track cuts and breakthrough rain in racing, as we always have in F1 series games?
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(Mercedes F1 casually dropping it while explained derating)
(Yelistener underrated F1 gem)
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