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Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
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David Greco's Handling, Driving and Setup Q&A (?)

Hi, I wonder if we may have a topic like this about the new F1 22 game like we had for F1 2020 here, it would be very interesting and appreciated 🙂 Ciao, Nuv
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  • BarryBL's avatar
    BarryBL
    3 years ago

    I'll ask him and see if we can find a decent time where we are free for some Q&A action. 

    We'll it'll be David, not me. Anyone can drive in the midfield every Friday. I'll look to move a lot of the stuff we are used to seeing into EA Answers as we escalate transition. 

Meza994's avatar
Meza994
3 years ago
@Nuvolarix definitely needed. I still think the minimum longitudinal rear tyre grip needs a 5% increase but we can better judge this after the Miami weekend when we can compare the esports drivers and their throttle application with what the real drivers do..

Besides that i would be interested in why they dont reduce the power output of low revs to make it less worth for the esports drivers. Also id be interested to know what exactly is the problem to get the physics right of speed loss with increased steering angle, currently its barely any speed you lose which is why they always take the shortest line and not the line with the least steering angle as in real racing.
  • Nuvolarix's avatar
    Nuvolarix
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @Meza994 yes, let's hope a kind of a meeting could be done, I think as long as it remains polite and constructive, it may help the crowd to understand much more the game (and as a corollary avoid many complaints once the reasons for the choices are known), on the other hand perhaps some interesting suggestions may be received by the developers themselves in order to improve the game... 😎

    • Meza994's avatar
      Meza994
      3 years ago
      @Nuvolarix Absolutely agree! I might be ranting a bit more currently (because tyre pressure behaviour seems to be the same, AGAIN😡)😅 but when its about discussing it with devs/talking with the devs direclty its the only way to do it calm, polite, constructive, but still critical. But the first 3 often fall under the carpet which is why i can understand the devs feeling not too enthusiastic of doing it only to be screamed at haha
      • Nuvolarix's avatar
        Nuvolarix
        Seasoned Ace
        3 years ago
        @Meza994 wrote:
        @NuvolarixAbsolutely agree! I might be ranting a bit more currently (because tyre pressure behaviour seems to be the same, AGAIN😡)😅 but when its about discussing it with devs/talking with the devs direclty its the only way to do it calm, polite, constructive, but still critical. But the first 3 often fall under the carpet which is why i can understand the devs feeling not too enthusiastic of doing it only to be screamed at haha

        Yes, that's true, it's up to the people to make it constructive and clearly to the developers to want to try again...

        To get the new forum off to a good start! 🥳

  • DavidG53's avatar
    DavidG53
    3 years ago
    @Meza994 Increased by 4% compared to 21. Added tyre induced drag from slip angle. The more you steer, the more drag the tyre will produce.

    To reduce power at low revs is not realistic. The issue is somewhere else, but, is complicated. I wouldn't want to fake engine output to solve an issue to be honest. I agree it looks bad, but it needs to be fixed the right way.
    • Meza994's avatar
      Meza994
      3 years ago
      @DavidG53 Thanks a lot for the info! From what i heard in one of Kiefers vids it might not been enough but might as well be a different problem, but great to know A) what is part of it and B) that its taken a look at! 🙂

      Was just an idea from me, if possible i also prefer the right way for fixes! But again great to know its with you guys!

      If i may add another question, do you guys have a look at the low speed behaviour currently? In the game the slow corner apex speeds are even exceeding the 2021 real life cornering speeds and IMO this is caused by too high front grip at minimal loads. I heard that you have increased the amount of load points for the tires and maybe the 1-3 lowest ones just start of too low? This would of course have a general higher impact but to me it would be the right impact due to more stability at race starts (independant of the low grip from tyre temps) and other low speed situations, not more grip but more stability.. Anyway maybe you find the time to educate me about this specific situation 🙂
      • DavidG53's avatar
        DavidG53
        3 years ago
        @Meza994 It is an extreme difficult thing to balance. Front lateral grip has been decreased by 3% compared to f1 game.

        It is not possible to balance everything. even iRacing with the W12 is quite a bit off in some areas, otherwise you wouldn't explain that the world record at Silverstone is a 23.8 and real life pole position was a 26.1

        Also mathematically the tyre grip balance is right when taking into consideration the car weight distribution.

        Also, Miami is a track with very low grip, with very high temperature, kind of temperature that we do no simulate. Over 20 odd tracks, I believe the balance between slow and high speed is ok, not perfect but ok.

        Traction issues, I've spoken about a transmission issue, in the video with Alex, that has been fixed for future builds. Problem is I am also way too used to 22, and I won't really know if the traction got better till player have a chance to try it. I find it better, I find I am able to control the throttle a lot better now.

        Also, last point, is that, if I make the fronts understeer more, esports guys would find a way to rotate that car at absurd speeds anyway. Is a balance I need to find for all type of players.

        22 was a real struggle, I had to decrease tyre grip, because they are harder compounds than 21, not me saying this but Pirelli publicly did say it, but also have same if not more aerodynamic forces. Now try to improve the traction but with less tyre grip, and now also in your comment, saying slow speed corners are too fast, as you can see, the balance that needs to go through is really complicated. At a point in the project sadly I need to stop.
    • Nuvolarix's avatar
      Nuvolarix
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @DavidG53 wrote:
      @Meza994Increased by 4% compared to 21. Added tyre induced drag from slip angle. The more you steer, the more drag the tyre will produce.

      To reduce power at low revs is not realistic. The issue is somewhere else, but, is complicated. I wouldn't want to fake engine output to solve an issue to be honest. I agree it looks bad, but it needs to be fixed the right way.

      Hi David, thank you to stay with us 🙂

      Can we take the opportunity to ask some questions here?

      Ciao,

      Nuv

      • DavidG53's avatar
        DavidG53
        3 years ago
        @Nuvolarix Better wait for an official thread. I just wanted to show I am alive and care about the community.
    • nochii07's avatar
      nochii07
      3 years ago

      @DavidG53I use mouse steering with an application but i wonder if the game will support mouse steering in the future?

      • ajobling1983's avatar
        ajobling1983
        Rising Ace
        3 years ago
        @nochii07 🤣 i would love to see a video of how that works?

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