Don’t listen those that are only posting so they can shoehorn in hollow boasts hoping someone will care about how amazing they are because they don’t use any assists and beat 110 ai last to first In every race, blah blah blah;”. But obviously not that good or they would be racing against proper esporters like marcel and jarno
The fact off the matter is. There’s obviously a problem with lack off traction for those who have much better and far more important things to do than spend their life getting gud.
As for you Self proclaimed racing sim gods. No one is complaining about the handling they are complaining that when casually picking up a controller and having some fun. Is proving to be very frustrating. As TC on full makes the car to sluggish. But using medium tc is next useless when accelerating through 1st 2nd 3rd and even 4th.
The fact you even post belittling people who can’t enjoy the game they have just payed a lot off money for. Says more about how pathetic you are
Too much meretricious gatekeeping elitism in this thread. Didn't receive any memo from corporate but if we do indeed need to present our credentials before posting, I was playing on 102~105 with no assists on a pad in my PS4 days, for whatever it's worth.
Useful advice for a change. Those having trouble with force feedback on controller, if you did any changes to the input profile on the game settings e.g. copying your settings from previous games, please revert to default and work from there. There are 4 sliders:
Vibration & Force Feedback Strength: this is fair game, increase at will after doing a lap or two with the default settings. Go easy on it though, 5 increments tops every time
On track Effects | Rumbling Strip Effects | Off Track Effects: leave these secondary sliders on default values until you find a comfortable setting with the FFB Strength one. These are more for fine tuning.
Reason being a) the FFB settings got reworked this time, these values do not seem to mean the same as before and old profile settings will not translate 1:1; and b) clipping is a real thing even on controllers.
Discussing this with a handful of users on Discord, this seems to be the case. The system doesn't do the best job of communicating how easily you can get FFB clipping here, but on part this is on us for just messing with the settings straight out of the box too. Looks like you can easily drown key signals, like the throttle feedback, if you go about cranking up those sliders without much thought.
I play on a wheel these days, but did a few laps on Spa with the Dualsense on PS5 before plugging the wheel. Lap 1 was the expected spin fest, but got my bearings relatively fast on lap 2 and it was fine after that.
This does not mean that the came is working wonders or as intended, there seems to be other FFB related issues going on. But this tip (redoing your settings based on default) is working for some. Hopefully will help you get more enjoyment out of the game in its current version.
And just a gratuitous heads up, know how sometimes people go on and on giving grief to someone just to realize way too late that they're dealing with a veritable expert on the matter? Yeah, you newcomers better beware on how you speak to @ScarDuck14 . If you ever find yourself in a room with ScarDuck and Hamilton or David Coulthard, you can bet your mom's house Blessed Lewis and DC will be all over chatting and cracking jokes with Duck while you sit alone in the corner sipping on your milkshake 🤭
Edit: and guess what? You can also bet your mom's pension they won't be talking about how only the real deal play on cockpit cam or whatever.
I don't know if other people feel it too but there seems to be a break in traction when you shift up the gears as well. I have manage the traction coming out of the corner in 3rd gear, go flat into 4th and by then I would expect that now the car is planted. But even a slight turn when you go from 4th to 5th (has happened hitting 6th gear as well) and you have lost traction again. This seems so very unnatural... this is the time when the aero should have taken over and the car should be planted but the gear change makes the rear unstable again and you have to fight to get the traction back.
To those who may concern. If you’re struggling with traction, tc is just for you. If you’re struggling with general grip, stability control and abs are just for you. Last year, for the first launch of f1 2021, you complained about the brakes and unfortunately they listened to you and turned the game into a crap. Now you complain about the traction. I’m not a pro or e sports player but I’m just fine with all the driving dynamics. I’m gonna prove it with footage. I and bunch of other guys who seek for a decent F1 simuation game are sick and tired of you 80-90 AI myteam gamers. If you can’t drive, choose casual racing style and let it go. Don’t try to ruin our money, time and enthusiasm. Because when the developers listens to majority like you, they ruin the physics of the game and therefore all driving dynamics. Just choose the casual racing style and enjoy yourselves.
PS. This lap is in career mode with Mclaren in Bahrain, just 1 lap after the pit stop. Hard and cold tyres.
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In F1 22 the Level of Grip and Traction that cars have seems to be incredibly minuscule compared to f1 cars in sims such as Asseto Corsa, Iracing and even in real life: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypbjxn_sl8o clip for comparison; look at the throttle control; on most corners, the amount of throttle which is applied without spinning is much higher than in f1 22 with sometimes 75%+ of the throttle being added instantly at 1:30 in the video while in the game on the same corner in Jeddah you can't get away with more than 45-55% throttle with no TC)
This results in the player being forced to do extreme and unrealistic amounts of throttle control without any traction control which artificially raises the difficulty. To be clear, I am not saying that there should be no spinning or sliding, what I am saying is that currently, you spin way too easily.
Compared to sims such as Asseto Corsa you can see that there is a severe lack of grip, with cars in the f1 22 game losing grip incredibly easily, especially in corners such as Bahrain 11 and 12 (the long right-hander) where you abruptly just lose the tyres and crash out. The traction of the car seems to be disrupted too easily, and the car takes quite a bit of time to regain traction compared to sims and in actual f1.
In conclusion, I believe that currently, the game has taken a step back by making it even easier to spin out compared to last year (which was already unrealistic in its throttle control) and I think it's quite a shame as the handling feels miles better than last year, I hope that future updates will address this and if not then future instalment in the franchise.
tl;dr Grip very little, traction too easily lost and interrupted, unrealistic and very tedious throttle control as a result
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In F1 22 the Level of Grip and Traction that cars have seems to be incredibly minuscule compared to f1 cars in sims such as Asseto Corsa, Iracing and even in real life: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypbjxn_sl8o clip for comparison; look at the throttle control; on most corners, the amount of throttle which is applied without spinning is much higher than in f1 22 with sometimes 75%+ of the throttle being added instantly at 1:30 in the video while in the game on the same corner in Jeddah you can't get away with more than 45-55% throttle with no TC)
This results in the player being forced to do extreme and unrealistic amounts of throttle control without any traction control which artificially raises the difficulty. To be clear, I am not saying that there should be no spinning or sliding, what I am saying is that currently, you spin way too easily.
Compared to sims such as Asseto Corsa you can see that there is a severe lack of grip, with cars in the f1 22 game losing grip incredibly easily, especially in corners such as Bahrain 11 and 12 (the long right-hander) where you abruptly just lose the tyres and crash out. The traction of the car seems to be disrupted too easily, and the car takes quite a bit of time to regain traction compared to sims and in actual f1.
In conclusion, I believe that currently, the game has taken a step back by making it even easier to spin out compared to last year (which was already unrealistic in its throttle control) and I think it's quite a shame as the handling feels miles better than last year, I hope that future updates will address this and if not then future instalment in the franchise.
tl;dr Grip very little, traction too easily lost and interrupted, unrealistic and very tedious throttle control as a result
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Traction is worked at and updated but Jeddah is a track with too little grip (street circuits generally get lower grip but Jeddah has high grip IRL).. However if they would just increase the grip laptimes would be way too quick as the kerbs are not anywhere near as high as IRL..
Regarding high speed corners might rather be the tyre performance at higher loads, got massively reduced last year and i havent seen the tyre files of F1 22 yet so cant comment on it but it was the reason for the instability in high speed in 2021.
You shouldnt take Assetto Corsa mods as 1:1 to real life though looking at the official F2004 mod which has way more grip than the car had IRL..","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2022-06-29T21:45:05.653+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-06-29T21:45:05.653+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":12277},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:f1-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en/message:8446547/message:8446548","repliesCount":108,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446549":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:8446549","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446549":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3715986"},"id":"message:8446549","revisionNum":1,"uid":8446549,"depth":2,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446548"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8446547"},"subject":"Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446549"},"body":"
Here is a clip of Australia Quali if Jeddah isn't a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTL4WOdp8xY From what I see, most of my points still stand about the grip. I understand that if the grip was just increased then lap times would be very quick but the current low level that it is at is incredibly tedious for driving and there are plenty of solutions to lower lap times while increasing grip, such as raising kerbs and more.
I understand that high loads on the tyres were reduced a lot last year and this year, but its far too unstable compared to real life and is way too easily lost IMO.
On Asseto Corsa, the comparison was based on the 2017 Car which was made as DLC for the game; I understand it will never be 1:1 but it is more realistic than the f1 games to actual f1 cars which is why I made the comparison as if a more accurate racing model could be made or the current one improved to become more sim like then racing could be made much more fun
and less tedious
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Problem with increasing grip is that the current cornering speeds are already faster than IRL.. Increasing kerb height for all tracks doesnt make this better because they are rarely riding kerbs on the inside of corner in unrealistic fashion..
Traction is not that often a problem if you compare esports guys to Australia and those cases that are further off might be fixed by the upcoming patches. Until then its all just guessing","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2022-06-29T22:11:35.632+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-06-29T22:11:35.632+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":12244},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:f1-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en/message:8446547/message:8446550","repliesCount":106,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1496145":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1496145","uid":1496145,"login":"Hansenhaus","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2022-04-27T06:32:42.614+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:1496145"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446551":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:8446551","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446551":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1496145"},"id":"message:8446551","revisionNum":1,"uid":8446551,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:8446547"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8446547"},"subject":"Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446551"},"body":"
@LittleAmigoBritI feel exactly the same way. I’m not sure if is my cheap G920 pedals but the rear has snapped out on me countless times when under 50% throttle. Some times I feel like I’m driving in the wet. Standing starts are more difficult as well. Starting revs need to be around 8-9k.
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A change that could be made is to reduce downforce so that cornering speed is reduced, but due to the increased grip, there would be minimal change to the cornering speed.
Traction isn't often a problem for esports guys since they've spent and will continue to spend hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of hours into the game as it is their job, so they will master it to a level which the casual person will not.
However, despite this one of the big pros of increasing grip would be a more realistic game which would replicate real-life experiences closer than it is currently doing
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@JebeFIN Another thing i forgot to mention is that Starts seem to be ridiculously difficult and spinny in the f1 game series in general compared to other games which include f1 cars and real life, so increasing grip and reducing spin would also improve this issue and allow for a better start system
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Well F1 drivers are the real life counterpart to Esports guys, they train non stop to do the best possible.. you cant compare how they go on the throttle to casuals..
A thing that would change things is a change of balance between weight distribution and front - rear tyre grip... This will improve traction a bit while not improving laptimes if done right.. But thats up to David Greco","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2022-06-29T23:18:04.751+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-06-29T23:18:04.751+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":12146},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:f1-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en/message:8446547/message:8446556","repliesCount":2,"readOnly":false,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446557":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:8446557","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446557":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:3715986"},"id":"message:8446557","revisionNum":1,"uid":8446557,"depth":6,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446556"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8446547"},"subject":"Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446557"},"body":"
@Meza994 Yes but if downforce is reduced then lap time is lost on medium and high-speed corners while being regained in low-speed corners meaning the overall change to lap speeds should not be very big while traction and grip is improved.
Also, the reason why I provided the telemetry data of an f1 driver is to show the difference between the game and real-life in how the throttle application is done, and how if you tried to replicate it you would most certainly spin out. It had nothing to do with casuals, and the reason why esport pros can be compared with casuals while f1 drivers can't is that casuals and esport pros play the exact same game, while a casual does not actually drive an f1 car while an f1 driver does
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