Does team quality matter in ultimate team? Lately it seems to me that the rating of the players doesn't matter, the 83 player will easily skate past the 94 defender. What's the point of all this? Improving the staff does not make any sense. It also seems to me that the goals fall in the same way, why?

@EA_Aljo the defender should not have gotten possession either. The puck should have been left behind. This just illustrates how much the game pushes the laws of physics to ensure a player keeps possession. I understand the video game wants it to be a more clean game and possession matter more but I think this goes too far.. this is why I first suggested there be a cool down time or something that a player needs (and I mean a second or less) before they're able to possess the puck again. If this was the case you wouldn't see this happen. I mean even with pokes I can't count the amount of times I poke a guy, the puck goes behind him and he turns his hips, throws one arm back to regain control all while not losing a step. The defense in this game just needs to be even with the offense and they're really not close..

A lot of people learn 1 or 2 ways to score and 1 or 2 ways to play defence.The easiest possible way to be effective.Thoose who try to play this game in a more advanced way, with more variety, takes a higher risk of losing.I would go so far and say, being better then your opponent is not the same thing as being the one who won.Theres diffrent way to measure skill.I think It's too easy to have enough skill to win games in this game.I dont think people would complain as much about this type of things if the game had a higher skill-gap.It needs to be more challenging to learn how to play this game.Being outshoot by a far amount of shots and down a lot in TOA, its a clear indication of a better opponent. (it really is! * high logical thinking) I can probebly see it happen more easy IRL - that the outshooting opponent manage to find a way to win, but it shouldn't be as common in a video game...Shouldn't that mean its more wrong with the game then the ones playing the game..? 🙄😊.. Or is it just realism.... Naah, if you ask me, not this subject.

@TTZ_DipsyDont forget some props to the one holding the controller.If me and Lance Armstrong had the same bike, im still sure he would made me look like the amateur I am in compare to him..Dont support EA and buy packs - get good instead... 😜

But for me thats a problem, that everyone knows the 2 or 3 most effective shots to take, its like no other shots mather.Thats so far away from real life hockey you could possible come, todays hockey is much more about speed and just put pucks at the net, you cant direct say whats good and whats a bad shot, of course traffic infront of the net is a good start and force goalies with lateral movement, but other then that, anything goes.But this game makes it really un-realistic to just allow 2-3 shots to be worth to take meanwhile the rest is just a waste of shots.2 things that brings down the realism at the same time, people refuse to take shots wich in turn creates a speed-drop.The flow have been so awkward and clumsy for so long now, just because people have learned that theres no use to take shots unless its a 'quality' shot.In other words, a shot we have been trained to take.Shots in all kind of diffrent ways should mather more, the definition of a good shot vs a bad should not be so easy to define.'Anything can happen' is how a shooter should feel before putting the puck to the net.EA game - 'nothing will happen' if you dont use the 2-3 shots everyone is already doing.Zzz.

@Sega82mega Yeah EA hockey is nothing like real hockey. Lots of backward skating through traffic. Lots of shots that people wouldn't take irl. Goalies are extremely good at stopping some shots and completely useless at stopping others.In some ways I see what EA is trying to do with some of it. You likely don't want players fumbling the puck all the time or making the game feel like a 50/50 chance at possession more often than ot needs to so players have better puck handling to combat that. The problem is then you hit a guy or poke it and they get it back.The above is just one example of why EA hockey is not like real hockey and also why the game can be taken advantage of. With this knowledge EA has two choices, find ways to fix those things or make it more real. So in the above example make puck possession/ handling not as good OR have a cool down period that a player can regain possession this can be mitigated by offensive awareness/ puck handling/ balance.All things that plague gameplay are likely a result of things they tried to improve for better or for worse. Every year goalies act a little different. Near side is open/ far side is open. I think with that they just need RNG for goalie behavior. The player "bubble" is a result of increased puck possession and imo a lack of animations against players putting the pick on forehand/ backhand and turning their hips against the check. Obviously this can be fixed by creating more animations. Back skating is hard to deal with because players don't trip or lose an edge, also have the "bubble" in their favor, they also seem to keep more momentum than they should when making sharp turns. I think backskating in general just needs a small overhaul.I think for a lot of these problems EA likely tried to make things better but players learned to take advantage of these things and now EA needs to try to get back ahead and dimish broken advantages to make the game play like the sport it's supposed to.

Does team quality matter in ultimate team?

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Riditelvesmiru
New Vanguard
3 years ago
@EA_Aljo ok, you're right, but it doesn't happen every second match that the opponent who has less than 5 shots per match wins. Moreover, the game is not about skill but patience. I understand that another user may have it differently, but why not make more of an online mode, for example an online career. or another build mode? The thing that annoys me the most about the game is that there is the same button for the wrist shot and slashing, and it is not possible to change the fact that the player is excluded instead of the stop. I don't like shooting with R3 I want it on the button so why is it unusable?
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
3 years ago
@Riditelvesmiru

The team is aware of the issue with Hybrid controls. We'll have to wait and see if that's resolved.

We can agree to disagree about the game being more about skill than patience. Then again, having patience is also part of the skill of this game. There are those that patiently wait for their opponent to make a move before making theirs, for example.

Thanks for the feedback for an online career mode. You're welcome to post those ideas in the Game Suggestions forum here.
KlariskraysNHL
Hero+
3 years ago
@Riditelvesmiru I'd love to see you stream a game or 2 of you playing so I could watch and see how the games unfold. I'll tell you if your 20 shots are even of scoring quality compared to their 5 or 6.

This is the elite of gameplay whether you care to like it as realism or not. This is how you are most effective in EA's NHL game.
https://www.twitch.tv/nhl/video/1813013514
Sega82mega
3 years ago
But for me thats a problem, that everyone knows the 2 or 3 most effective shots to take, its like no other shots mather.

Thats so far away from real life hockey you could possible come, todays hockey is much more about speed and just put pucks at the net, you cant direct say whats good and whats a bad shot, of course traffic infront of the net is a good start and force goalies with lateral movement, but other then that, anything goes.

But this game makes it really un-realistic to just allow 2-3 shots to be worth to take meanwhile the rest is just a waste of shots.

2 things that brings down the realism at the same time, people refuse to take shots wich in turn creates a speed-drop.

The flow have been so awkward and clumsy for so long now, just because people have learned that theres no use to take shots unless its a 'quality' shot.

In other words, a shot we have been trained to take.

Shots in all kind of diffrent ways should mather more, the definition of a good shot vs a bad should not be so easy to define.

'Anything can happen' is how a shooter should feel before putting the puck to the net.

EA game - 'nothing will happen' if you dont use the 2-3 shots everyone is already doing.

Zzz.
rsandersr47
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Sega82mega Yeah EA hockey is nothing like real hockey. Lots of backward skating through traffic. Lots of shots that people wouldn't take irl. Goalies are extremely good at stopping some shots and completely useless at stopping others.

In some ways I see what EA is trying to do with some of it. You likely don't want players fumbling the puck all the time or making the game feel like a 50/50 chance at possession more often than ot needs to so players have better puck handling to combat that. The problem is then you hit a guy or poke it and they get it back.

The above is just one example of why EA hockey is not like real hockey and also why the game can be taken advantage of. With this knowledge EA has two choices, find ways to fix those things or make it more real. So in the above example make puck possession/ handling not as good OR have a cool down period that a player can regain possession this can be mitigated by offensive awareness/ puck handling/ balance.

All things that plague gameplay are likely a result of things they tried to improve for better or for worse. Every year goalies act a little different. Near side is open/ far side is open. I think with that they just need RNG for goalie behavior. The player "bubble" is a result of increased puck possession and imo a lack of animations against players putting the pick on forehand/ backhand and turning their hips against the check. Obviously this can be fixed by creating more animations. Back skating is hard to deal with because players don't trip or lose an edge, also have the "bubble" in their favor, they also seem to keep more momentum than they should when making sharp turns. I think backskating in general just needs a small overhaul.

I think for a lot of these problems EA likely tried to make things better but players learned to take advantage of these things and now EA needs to try to get back ahead and dimish broken advantages to make the game play like the sport it's supposed to.
KlariskraysNHL
Hero+
3 years ago
Another problem when they start allowing more sporadic shots going in means that people will assume the AI is always out to get them. We would get the stupid tilt talk because I shot the same shot as blah blah and theirs went in but mine was better and didn't. When things are more random there will be more complaints. It's pretty much what it feels like now playing as a human goalie against people with gold close quarters.
Sega82mega
3 years ago
@KlariskraysNHL

"We would get the stupid tilt talk because I shot the same shot as blah blah and theirs went in but mine was better and didn't. "

We already have the tilt talk.
I think thats something we always will have, no mather how the game are. Human nature to find excuses.

It wouldnt be random in that aspect that puck possession and shots would mather more, to have thoose two it requires skill.

But like @rsandersr47 said, 'Goalies are extremely good at stopping some shots and completely useless at stopping others', maybe thats the biggest problem, its so easy to get to know our AI goalie, pretty soon we start to know exactly wich shots to take and wich not to take.

AI goalies need to act more like human then AI robot ..

And even if shots was more random, the better players would still be the better players, they would learn how to get the most out of the game no mather whats giving to them.

And a game can only be random to a certain limit, because it is a video game after all. But I think the fun factor in learning the skill gap would increase drastical if random shots would create more chaos then what it does now.
More to reconsider for the pro's!
KlariskraysNHL
Hero+
3 years ago
@Sega82mega Thing is that human goalies rely heavily on their team in front of them too. As a human you still want to play the shot over the pass usually. But at least an AI can get over better than a human in most cases. If they started to act more human then they would be pulling off the posts a bunch giving up easier short side goals and wraps would be so much easier.
Sega82mega
3 years ago
@KlariskraysNHL

But maybe it still would feel more 'realistic and fun'. You might be able to adjust your defence to prevent thoose shots/goals to happen.

And if we do has to have some goals thats easier to score then other's, then
we might as well 'allow' more realistic/human goals then computer'ish goals.
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
3 years ago
@rsandersr47

One thing I wanted to comment on was the puck being picked up again. This happens due to player ratings and positioning. Very often the poke doesn't get a good piece of the puck. So, it's not affected much and is easily picked up. With the carrier tending to be in better position in these situations, they have a better chance to pick it up. If the poke makes good contact and sends the puck farther away, the defender will most likely gain possession.

The new sim mode in HUT is making a lot of people very happy. If you don't play HUT, community feedback on it can be found here.

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