Dumping the puck
What's the deal with the difficulty introduced this year with something as simple as dumping the puck? I mean, it's always been problematic, but this year, it's ridiculous that half the time your ska...
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Regardless of people's options, the flip has been restricted. In 23, the longer you held the button, the further and higher it would go.
@stattimanThey nerfed the puck flip to ensure that you can rag the puck so the pressure mechanics works as intended, so they basically favor the game more towards the offense, thus creating puck ragging, and making for toxic game play
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:@stattimanThey nerfed the puck flip to ensure that you can rag the puck so the pressure mechanics works as intended, so they basically favor the game more towards the offense, thus creating puck ragging, and making for toxic game play
naw, they 'nerfed' the dump puck so that it acted more as a chip off the glass from the D-Zone. The problem with it right now is that it lacks velocity and basically doesn't respond to being 'charged up'. It's a slow lob and just needs to be tuned so it's a little more effective.
It wasn't designed to entice puck ragging for the pressure system. But that being said, the pressure system is garbage and needs to go.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:@stattimanThey nerfed the puck flip to ensure that you can rag the puck so the pressure mechanics works as intended, so they basically favor the game more towards the offense, thus creating puck ragging, and making for toxic game play
naw, they 'nerfed' the dump puck so that it acted more as a chip off the glass from the D-Zone. The problem with it right now is that it lacks velocity and basically doesn't respond to being 'charged up'. It's a slow lob and just needs to be tuned so it's a little more effective.
It wasn't designed to entice puck ragging for the pressure system. But that being said, the pressure system is garbage and needs to go.
Aijo just admitted the feature was designed purposefully to buff the zone pressure, so youre just wrong here. There's a literal EA resposne that says "we did this so you cant clear the zone" so this 100% was designed purposefully to buff the pressure system. Theres simply no denying this objective fact.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:Aijo just admitted the feature was designed purposefully to buff the zone pressure, so youre just wrong here. There's a literal EA resposne that says "we did this so you cant clear the zone" so this 100% was designed purposefully to buff the pressure system. Theres simply no denying this objective fact.
That's not what Aljo said.
There are other options for relieving pressure (puck movement, saucer passes, changing breakout strategy to be more conservative, etc) The dump puck has been designed so as not to always result in the puck leaving the play area.
Why should someone who is under pressure be able to just R1 + RS UP with impunity from anywhere in the D-Zone?
It seems to me, the people complaining about the dump nerf are trying to execute it from below the goal line in an attempt to relieve pressure and the dump doesn't clear the zone.
However, if you use the mechanic above the faceoff dots, it works exactly as intended.
Therefore, one can only assume the developers intend for you to utilize the other aforementioned tactics (sauce, puck movement, proper support, etc) before resorting to the dump puck.
I absolutely despise the pressure system, It's complete garbage and it needs to go and the flip dump needs more velocity. However, I understand what the developers intended when it comes to getting out from under that pressure. They didn't want a one-button-beats-all approach. Once again, the community clamours for change/revision rather than adjust and adapt. And again, I say that as someone who HATES the new system but I try not to let that hatred spill into my gameplay or I start making mistakes.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:@stattimanThey nerfed the puck flip to ensure that you can rag the puck so the pressure mechanics works as intended, so they basically favor the game more towards the offense, thus creating puck ragging, and making for toxic game play
naw, they 'nerfed' the dump puck so that it acted more as a chip off the glass from the D-Zone. The problem with it right now is that it lacks velocity and basically doesn't respond to being 'charged up'. It's a slow lob and just needs to be tuned so it's a little more effective.
It wasn't designed to entice puck ragging for the pressure system. But that being said, the pressure system is garbage and needs to go.
It's clearly stated right here that it was nerfed due to the pressure system, which has basically turned into a puck ragging system.
@EA_Aljo wrote:Part of the reason dumps were changed is that the previous functionality would make it too easy to evade the pressure system. We also had a lot of requests for making it easier to dump the puck off the glass so this was intended to help with that.
I know it also states that it was changed to help with chipping off the glass, but they could have easily implemented a better control for that without getting rid of the full ice flip, so I'm not buying that reasoning at all.
I simple hockey play that happens frequently has been removed, but yet you can do a Michigan that rarely happens over and over ridiculous
@KidShowtime1867Heck yeah it does. Agreed. Just look at the HUT WC with Eki and all of them to see how abused this system is. It was a valid and appreciated effort from the dev team to try something new but I think it was a swing and a miss. Hopefully, EA Sports cares enough to pivot in the next game.
As far as the new "dump" goes, IDK about y'all, but when I chip the puck off the glass in my real-life hockey games, the puck goes HARD off that glass and goes either down the length of the ice or high up into the stratosphere where no one is going to jump and catch it.Oh and while we're on the topic of saucer-passes. What's up with them? Why are they so low? Why can't we control the height of a saucer pass in this game? Why is the "auto-saucer" even a thing in this series? I feel like saucing is another thing that could be looked at for improvement. Laying sauce is one of the most satisfying things to do in IRL hockey. I feel like this game takes a lot of that satisfaction away and has relegated the saucer pass to something like a "through-pass" in FIFA. The good players mainly use sauce to do area passes in NHL24 as opposed to feathering passes over defenders' sticks.
@NeonSkyline21 wrote:
As far as the new "dump" goes, IDK about y'all, but when I chip the puck off the glass in my real-life hockey games, the puck goes HARD off that glass and goes either down the length of the ice or high up into the stratosphere where no one is going to jump and catch it.Like this?
or this?
I've provided more clips here, demonstrating chipping the puck off the glass is effective, if executed properly.
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