Dumping the puck

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

Aijo just admitted the feature was designed purposefully to buff the zone pressure, so youre just wrong here. There's a literal EA resposne that says "we did this so you cant clear the zone" so this 100% was designed purposefully to buff the pressure system. Theres simply no denying this objective fact.

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That's not what Aljo said.

There are other options for relieving pressure (puck movement, saucer passes, changing breakout strategy to be more conservative, etc) The dump puck has been designed so as not to always result in the puck leaving the play area. 

Why should someone who is under pressure be able to just R1 + RS UP with impunity from anywhere in the D-Zone? 

It seems to me, the people complaining about the dump nerf are trying to execute it from below the goal line in an attempt to relieve pressure and the dump doesn't clear the zone. 

However, if you use the mechanic above the faceoff dots, it works exactly as intended.

Therefore, one can only assume the developers intend for you to utilize the other aforementioned tactics (sauce, puck movement, proper support, etc) before resorting to the dump puck.

I absolutely despise the pressure system, It's complete garbage and it needs to go and the flip dump needs more velocity. However, I understand what the developers intended when it comes to getting out from under that pressure. They didn't want a one-button-beats-all approach. Once again, the community clamours for change/revision rather than adjust and adapt. And again, I say that as someone who HATES the new system but I try not to let that hatred spill into my gameplay or I start making mistakes. 

@KidShowtime1867Actually I used it in 23 for break plays and also, this would make  my opponent think about how his offensive strategy ,now all you see is high pressure and full attack with D men pinching and puck ragging

And yes they nerfed the puck flip so the  ragging tool can be used as intended, they rigged the game more towards offense 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

Aijo just admitted the feature was designed purposefully to buff the zone pressure, so youre just wrong here. There's a literal EA resposne that says "we did this so you cant clear the zone" so this 100% was designed purposefully to buff the pressure system. Theres simply no denying this objective fact.

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That's not what Aljo said.

There are other options for relieving pressure (puck movement, saucer passes, changing breakout strategy to be more conservative, etc) The dump puck has been designed so as not to always result in the puck leaving the play area. 

Why should someone who is under pressure be able to just R1 + RS UP with impunity from anywhere in the D-Zone? 

It seems to me, the people complaining about the dump nerf are trying to execute it from below the goal line in an attempt to relieve pressure and the dump doesn't clear the zone. 

However, if you use the mechanic above the faceoff dots, it works exactly as intended.

Therefore, one can only assume the developers intend for you to utilize the other aforementioned tactics (sauce, puck movement, proper support, etc) before resorting to the dump puck.

I absolutely despise the pressure system, It's complete garbage and it needs to go and the flip dump needs more velocity. However, I understand what the developers intended when it comes to getting out from under that pressure. They didn't want a one-button-beats-all approach. Once again, the community clamours for change/revision rather than adjust and adapt. And again, I say that as someone who HATES the new system but I try not to let that hatred spill into my gameplay or I start making mistakes. 

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Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump.

Then you want to ask why should it be so easy to simply flip the puck out of the zone in a year where they introduced one button dekes?

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

I think the worst part about this response is that no matter how illogical it may sound, looking at the direction this game went this year, the explanation is totally believable.

I’m fully convinced this must be one of the developers burner accounts, there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

Yes. I agree what beauts said.

Kidshowtime said that there is other options.

Well…

Saucer pass need to be loaded and still the power off the pass need to be higher. It is easy to intercept that pass.

Slapshot is only somehow good option but same problem: it need to be loaded so it takes time. And you can do this only from the left/right side depending of the handedness.

Basic wristshot doesnt have enough power. You can do this only from the one side (left or right).

so thats why dump was the best option.
Of course slap shot is also good sometimes but because this stupid pressure you dont have always time to do that.

its juse makes zero sense why EA removed so basic normally thing like a dump from the game and instead added one button michigan deke. Who made this decision?? Seriously??

And this is also funny thing that michigan is better option behind the goal than wrap around, lol. 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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Where did I say, "they don't want us to use a play that is used multiple times in hockey?"

They don't want the flip dump to be a get out of jail free card. How is that so hard to understand? 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump

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If you actually understood the current mechanics, you'd know that it's impossible to put the puck into the crowd using the flip dump unless you're on the backhand - then the chance increases exponentially. 

A chip-dump is not meant for the defensive team to regain possession.... it's meant to relieve pressure. 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Then you want to ask why should it be so easy to simply flip the puck out of the zone in a year where they introduced one button dekes?

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I didn't mention a single thing about one button dekes. What are you talking about?

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

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I like how your entire post is just making up things I said. I didn't say anything about "finding more complicated ways" to relieve pressure. EA is trying to entice dynamic gameplay by putting the user in situations where the same old tactics they've used for years now require some adjustment. They tried to introduce new methods of play and it's clear that's just too much for many people.

If you think that's "more complicated" then that's too bad. A lot of people online have adjusted and adapted to the new mechanics. Many people understand what the developers intended, even though we might not agree - we're out here dealing with it and enjoying the game. 

It's funny how you make up these things I say to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make (which was likely to call me out as some burner developer account LOL)  but completely overlook the fact that I've stated many times that the Pressure System and everything associated with it (including the flip dump) needs to go.

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@Beauts90 wrote: there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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I'm not 'defending' anything. Just providing some insight. You can choose to ignore it bro. Nobody's forcing you to read it. 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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Where did I say, "they don't want us to use a play that is used multiple times in hockey?"

They don't want the flip dump to be a get out of jail free card. How is that so hard to understand? 

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Maybe read the the two statements you just made and see if you can understand how they contradict each other. The get out of jail free card is the play that is being removed. So which one is it? Should they leave this play in or remove it because it’s a get out of jail free card?

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@Beauts90 wrote:

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump

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If you actually understood the current mechanics, you'd know that it's impossible to put the puck into the crowd using the flip dump unless you're on the backhand - then the chance increases exponentially. 

A chip-dump is not meant for the defensive team to regain possession.... it's meant to relieve pressure. 

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Nowhere did I mention current mechanics. In previous games and in a real life situation when trying to flip the puck out of the zone there is a chance the puck will sail out of play for a penalty. This can happen on either the forehand or backhand.

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

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I like how your entire post is just making up things I said. I didn't say anything about "finding more complicated ways" to relieve pressure. EA is trying to entice dynamic gameplay by putting the user in situations where the same old tactics they've used for years now require some adjustment. They tried to introduce new methods of play and it's clear that's just too much for many people.

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EA is not trying to entice dynamic gameplay, they came up with a stupid feature and had to install band aid adjustments to help accommodate this feature.

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@Beauts90 wrote: there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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I'm not 'defending' anything. Just providing some insight. You can choose to ignore it bro. Nobody's forcing you to read it. 

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I have no problem commending you for a lot of the help you provide to people around here, but there are also a lot of situations where you should listen to your own advice when it comes to some of the times you engage with people as well.

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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That's a great idea.

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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This is a great suggestion, I still think the power should be controlled by ‘charging’ it up.
Obviously the lower the stamina, the longer you would have to hold down the button before flicking the joystick. That way we don’t have set strengths based on stamina and could still have the ability to clear the puck if given enough time and space.

I also wouldn’t hate having more severe penalties for accuracy either, especially if the player is turning or not facing up ice when making this play.

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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That's such a good idea it will never be implemented in the game. 

@hiperaySometimes you have to find the middle ground of something hated and something they felt was too effective.  Which is something many never take into account.

Well they  need someone that has a vision of actual hockey then 

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@Treatmentworke66 wrote:

Well they  need someone that has a vision of actual hockey then 

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How is this not considered "actual hockey"? Shocking. I was able to flip dump the puck out of the zone..

@KidShowtime1867 

You know full well that flipping the puck 6 feet in the air from a foot inside of your zone isn’t what is being talked about.

@Treatmentworke66 

For better or worse the developers are not able to fully include “hockey logic” into all aspects of the game because of the need to combat online metas and complaints.

But being able to skate full speed into the boards of your own zone and then no look backhand it instantaneously 75-100 feet down the ice was? Like come on let’s be honest with ourselves here. The dump the puck animation was stupid strong in older games and was a defensive get out of jail free card when your other 4 skaters on the ice are disregarding a clean breakout as a team and are instead, at the centerline leaving their teammate hung out to dry! This is a team game after all and breaking the puck out is a team task, not an individual one.
I’ll agree that the forehand dump should be stronger though. If you are pulling back on the forehand, then the puck should shoot to the moon. But alas it doesn’t and so we have to find new ways of clearing the puck as a team. Adapt to a gameplay change.

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@Beauts90 wrote:

@KidShowtime1867 

You know full well that flipping the puck 6 feet in the air from a foot inside of your zone isn’t what is being talked about.

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Seems like everytime I post a GIF showing a mechanic work fine when executed properly, the goal posts get moved. The complaint has been that users are unable to flip the puck outside the zone from inside the zone. My gif demonstrates that this is not the case. 

It sounds like you want the get-out-of-jail free mechanic where you toss the puck 30-ft in the air and the puck instantly clears the zone without any responsibility to actually move the puck with hockey plays and using hockey IQ. This seems to contradict the demand that hockey IQ and skill be the determining factor in any given scenario. 

@KidShowtime1867 

No man, the goal posts aren’t getting moved. You are trying to do exactly what you have done around here for years. Stir the pot using a technicality to show everybody that they are wrong and you are right.
It will get to the point where you complain that somebody “attacked you for no reason,” which then usually leads to the thread getting locked.

Hockey IQ involves knowing when to just get the puck out of the zone (get out of jail free card as you call it) or make an attempted play that has a lower chance of clearing the zone. It’s why all of the best players and teams use this strategy and don’t try to force plays, especially when tired. 

@Beauts90 

There's no pot stirring here. What @KidShowtime1867  does is show that what people claim to be broken, unplayable, impossible, etc. is not quite as such. I get that most everyone here has a very negative outlook on the game. That doesn't mean when someone has an alternative point of view they automatically need to be labeled as a pot stirrer. This is the one warning I will give. Keep the discussion about the game and not slandering each other.

@EA_Aljo 

Do you actually think dumping the puck out a foot from the blue line is what @Treatmentworke66 is talking about and @KidShowtime1867 showing it will lead to constructive discussion?

If that’s what the thought process is, no need for a warning, not any reason to continue the dialogue.

@Beauts90 

What I'm saying is to be respectful of other people's opinions. He's trying to show how to successfully dump the puck when others say it can't be done. There's nothing wrong with that.