Dumping the puck

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

Aijo just admitted the feature was designed purposefully to buff the zone pressure, so youre just wrong here. There's a literal EA resposne that says "we did this so you cant clear the zone" so this 100% was designed purposefully to buff the pressure system. Theres simply no denying this objective fact.

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That's not what Aljo said.

There are other options for relieving pressure (puck movement, saucer passes, changing breakout strategy to be more conservative, etc) The dump puck has been designed so as not to always result in the puck leaving the play area. 

Why should someone who is under pressure be able to just R1 + RS UP with impunity from anywhere in the D-Zone? 

It seems to me, the people complaining about the dump nerf are trying to execute it from below the goal line in an attempt to relieve pressure and the dump doesn't clear the zone. 

However, if you use the mechanic above the faceoff dots, it works exactly as intended.

Therefore, one can only assume the developers intend for you to utilize the other aforementioned tactics (sauce, puck movement, proper support, etc) before resorting to the dump puck.

I absolutely despise the pressure system, It's complete garbage and it needs to go and the flip dump needs more velocity. However, I understand what the developers intended when it comes to getting out from under that pressure. They didn't want a one-button-beats-all approach. Once again, the community clamours for change/revision rather than adjust and adapt. And again, I say that as someone who HATES the new system but I try not to let that hatred spill into my gameplay or I start making mistakes. 

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Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump.

Then you want to ask why should it be so easy to simply flip the puck out of the zone in a year where they introduced one button dekes?

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

I think the worst part about this response is that no matter how illogical it may sound, looking at the direction this game went this year, the explanation is totally believable.

I’m fully convinced this must be one of the developers burner accounts, there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

Yes. I agree what beauts said.

Kidshowtime said that there is other options.

Well…

Saucer pass need to be loaded and still the power off the pass need to be higher. It is easy to intercept that pass.

Slapshot is only somehow good option but same problem: it need to be loaded so it takes time. And you can do this only from the left/right side depending of the handedness.

Basic wristshot doesnt have enough power. You can do this only from the one side (left or right).

so thats why dump was the best option.
Of course slap shot is also good sometimes but because this stupid pressure you dont have always time to do that.

its juse makes zero sense why EA removed so basic normally thing like a dump from the game and instead added one button michigan deke. Who made this decision?? Seriously??

And this is also funny thing that michigan is better option behind the goal than wrap around, lol. 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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Where did I say, "they don't want us to use a play that is used multiple times in hockey?"

They don't want the flip dump to be a get out of jail free card. How is that so hard to understand? 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump

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If you actually understood the current mechanics, you'd know that it's impossible to put the puck into the crowd using the flip dump unless you're on the backhand - then the chance increases exponentially. 

A chip-dump is not meant for the defensive team to regain possession.... it's meant to relieve pressure. 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Then you want to ask why should it be so easy to simply flip the puck out of the zone in a year where they introduced one button dekes?

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I didn't mention a single thing about one button dekes. What are you talking about?

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

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I like how your entire post is just making up things I said. I didn't say anything about "finding more complicated ways" to relieve pressure. EA is trying to entice dynamic gameplay by putting the user in situations where the same old tactics they've used for years now require some adjustment. They tried to introduce new methods of play and it's clear that's just too much for many people.

If you think that's "more complicated" then that's too bad. A lot of people online have adjusted and adapted to the new mechanics. Many people understand what the developers intended, even though we might not agree - we're out here dealing with it and enjoying the game. 

It's funny how you make up these things I say to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make (which was likely to call me out as some burner developer account LOL)  but completely overlook the fact that I've stated many times that the Pressure System and everything associated with it (including the flip dump) needs to go.

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@Beauts90 wrote: there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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I'm not 'defending' anything. Just providing some insight. You can choose to ignore it bro. Nobody's forcing you to read it. 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Beauts90 wrote:

Why wouldn’t they want us to use a play that is used multiple times a game in real hockey?up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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Where did I say, "they don't want us to use a play that is used multiple times in hockey?"

They don't want the flip dump to be a get out of jail free card. How is that so hard to understand? 

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Maybe read the the two statements you just made and see if you can understand how they contradict each other. The get out of jail free card is the play that is being removed. So which one is it? Should they leave this play in or remove it because it’s a get out of jail free card?

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@Beauts90 wrote:

It’s not like it doesn’t come with some risk as it’s possible to send it into the crowd for a penalty and the majority of time the defending team will  not get possession of the puck after a dump

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If you actually understood the current mechanics, you'd know that it's impossible to put the puck into the crowd using the flip dump unless you're on the backhand - then the chance increases exponentially. 

A chip-dump is not meant for the defensive team to regain possession.... it's meant to relieve pressure. 

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Nowhere did I mention current mechanics. In previous games and in a real life situation when trying to flip the puck out of the zone there is a chance the puck will sail out of play for a penalty. This can happen on either the forehand or backhand.

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

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I like how your entire post is just making up things I said. I didn't say anything about "finding more complicated ways" to relieve pressure. EA is trying to entice dynamic gameplay by putting the user in situations where the same old tactics they've used for years now require some adjustment. They tried to introduce new methods of play and it's clear that's just too much for many people.

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EA is not trying to entice dynamic gameplay, they came up with a stupid feature and had to install band aid adjustments to help accommodate this feature.

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@Beauts90 wrote: there’s just no way you can keep coming up with some of these explanations in order to defend this game.

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I'm not 'defending' anything. Just providing some insight. You can choose to ignore it bro. Nobody's forcing you to read it. 

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I have no problem commending you for a lot of the help you provide to people around here, but there are also a lot of situations where you should listen to your own advice when it comes to some of the times you engage with people as well.

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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That's a great idea.

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:

I think I have an idea that would be a good solution and even out to both sides.

My idea is that your stamina would determine power of the puck dumped out.   So the higher your stamina the higher you can flip it with accuracy.  But when you are low on energy the flip is weak and accuracy will suffer slightly.

This gives the offensive team who built up the pressure bar the ability to keep the pressure on tired defenders like we have currently.

Now if the defense can get the puck before the pressure system is up and/or they have stamina they can flip it out higher and accurately.

75% to 100% stamina = full power dump accurate placement

74% to 40% stamina =   half power dump and slightly inaccurate placement.

39% to 0 stamina =  the dump we currently have in place but would be more inaccurate in placement.

Both sides get a benefit.  

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This is a great suggestion, I still think the power should be controlled by ‘charging’ it up.
Obviously the lower the stamina, the longer you would have to hold down the button before flicking the joystick. That way we don’t have set strengths based on stamina and could still have the ability to clear the puck if given enough time and space.

I also wouldn’t hate having more severe penalties for accuracy either, especially if the player is turning or not facing up ice when making this play.

@KidShowtime1867Heck yeah it does. Agreed. Just look at the HUT WC with Eki and all of them to see how abused this system is. It was a valid and appreciated effort from the dev team to try something new but I think it was a swing and a miss. Hopefully, EA Sports cares enough to pivot in the next game.

As far as the new "dump" goes, IDK about y'all, but when I chip the puck off the glass in my real-life hockey games, the puck goes HARD off that glass and goes either down the length of the ice or high up into the stratosphere where no one is going to jump and catch it.

Oh and while we're on the topic of saucer-passes. What's up with them? Why are they so low? Why can't we control the height of a saucer pass in this game? Why is the "auto-saucer" even a thing in this series? I feel like saucing is another thing that could be looked at for improvement. Laying sauce is one of the most satisfying things to do in IRL hockey. I feel like this game takes a lot of that satisfaction away and has relegated the saucer pass to something like a "through-pass" in FIFA. The good players mainly use sauce to do area passes in NHL24 as opposed to feathering passes over defenders' sticks. 

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@NeonSkyline21 wrote:

As far as the new "dump" goes, IDK about y'all, but when I chip the puck off the glass in my real-life hockey games, the puck goes HARD off that glass and goes either down the length of the ice or high up into the stratosphere where no one is going to jump and catch it.

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Like this?

or this?

I've provided more clips here, demonstrating chipping the puck off the glass is effective, if executed properly. 

@KidShowtime1867You could do this last year and previous years as well and you didn't have to go be so close to the boards to do it but you had to be more responsible of were to do it from and how high you tried to chip it off the glass or you would get a delay of game penalty if not done correctly,things that happen in hockey