The thing though is that all-star in his current state isn't overpowered expect for maybe tennis star (Which is considered like that for completely different reason that you cited) while Citron in general is OP not because he tank stuff but because he's just overall too versatile.
Most of the stuff that got buffed are thing that require accuracy which tank class are easier to hit with anyway. Exception being electro pea,which actually didn't have a great dps and relies at his big splash and shock damage to..Well do damage. He also didn't have a great ammo count neither.
Both Empeach and Imp punt are also only usable in close range. EMPeach arming time still mean that you get time to possibly escape or even prevent the citron of taking advantage of his stun. While Imp punt is still overall unreliable at time and generally need the imp to hug said target to deal the maximum amount of damage..
The recent upsurge of all-star use is simply because he's currently THE best class to deal with a citron currently. Nothing more nothing less. Let's not nerf him just becus he counter the current dominant class.
@Boolerex wrote:
The thing though is that all-star in his current state isn't overpowered expect for maybe tennis star (Which is considered like that for completely different reason that you cited) while Citron in general is OP not because he tank stuff but because he's just overall too versatile.
Most of the stuff that got buffed are thing that require accuracy which tank class are easier to hit with anyway. Exception being electro pea,which actually didn't have a great dps and relies at his big splash and shock damage to..Well do damage. He also didn't have a great ammo count neither.
Both Empeach and Imp punt are also only usable in close range. EMPeach arming time still mean that you get time to possibly escape or even prevent the citron of taking advantage of his stun. While Imp punt is still overall unreliable at time and generally need the imp to hug said target to deal the maximum amount of damage..
The recent upsurge of all-star use is simply because he's currently THE best class to deal with a citron currently. Nothing more nothing less. Let's not nerf him just becus he counter the current dominant class.
Well yeah agreed, which is why I'd like them to try the damage nerf for Citron first.
Aside of the Golf Star, the All Star is very ineffective at long range, unlike the Citron now. And besides of the borderline OP Tennis Star, no All Star needs a nerf. Especially not the Hockey Star, Rugby Star or the legendary underdog - the Wrestling Star. Because those 3 are already hard enough to play.
Also i haven't been in a single game with lots of All Stars. Not a single one. Citrons however can make up half of the Plants Team now. So i cannot understand the reasons at all behind of this, besides that the All Star can be effective at dealing with Citrons - which is a result of Citrons being overused.
Also to mention that the Imp had been overused before the Citron, but greeted with more and more buffs instead of nerfs.
Popcap does better not listen to the outcry of the Citron casuals, that abuse the damn Orange Beam all day, but get salty about All Stars punting them because people get sick of Citron snipers.
It's the same reason for me now why i have to constantly counter-pick in matches, because of the masses of Citrons. Just like earlier, where i had to constantly switch to Pea Shooter to get rid of all the Mechs.
@Screion wrote:
Aside of the Golf Star, the All Star is very ineffective at long range, unlike the Citron now. And besides of the borderline OP Tennis Star, no All Star needs a nerf. Especially not the Hockey Star, Rugby Star or the legendary underdog - the Wrestling Star. Because those 3 are already hard enough to play.
Also i haven't been in a single game with lots of All Stars. Not a single one. Citrons however can make up half of the Plants Team now. So i cannot understand the reasons at all behind of this, besides that the All Star can be effective at dealing with Citrons - which is a result of Citrons being overused.
Also to mention that the Imp had been overused before the Citron, but greeted with more and more buffs instead of nerfs.
Popcap does better not listen to the outcry of the Citron casuals, that abuse the damn Orange Beam all day, but get salty about All Stars punting them because people get sick of Citron snipers.
It's the same reason for me now why i have to constantly counter-pick in matches, because of the masses of Citrons. Just like earlier, where i had to constantly switch to Pea Shooter to get rid of all the Mechs.
Hocky star (ice) is the top 3 all stars I think you got it confused with the gaolie star (the one that shoots very fast and little damage)
Not sure why the allstar is getting a nerf. Its like they want to get rid of their mistakes of the past because in PVZGW 1 everyone used the allstar but not to shoot but to spam the abilities. Now with the imp and super brainz people can do it much easier with effortless impkata and gravity grenade that really do too much damage. And heroic kick and turbo twister really make it hard for the plants. (yes this is where the all stars ability spammers went)
The citron is only deadly if the person can aim if its just a noob than its just a pinata. The reason why the plants are winning now is because at least 75% of people have no skill at all. When the roses got nerfed people switch to the zombies and spammed imps and superbrainz because they are easy to use characters. Now since the superbrainz was nerfed hes gone, the imp finaly has a counter but its not effective against meches. The citron cannot 1 vs 1 a mech. Only the ice citron can. The iron citron with his mech breaker can only hit the mech with 3 shots before the mech vanquishes him. Peas are the real mech counter but citrons don't have the power to stop meches even though they are specifically against meches. Against everything else they are op.
