Plants in Plants vs. Zombies: Heroes, are too strong. I can not enjoy playing this game if the plants are a lot more stronger than the zombies. There are legendary and non legendary cards on the plant side that are really strong.

The easiest way to understand this isEach play style has a specific play style that topples and wrecks itThere is no one play style that wins every single time Other then user error in building and strategy and or terrible draws There are decks that do favorably better over many other play styles There are some pretty rediculous decks both sides When all you see is one deck or two decks being run then you it's the end of fun haha

@megraam wrote: @Gabochido wrote: @megraam wrote: @Gabochido wrote: Would you mind listing out these decks? I'd like to try them out. I mean this seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended. I have a few decks built but they all have at least one bad matchup so I'm really curious. It would also probably help the devs to know about this tech. Devs know about it since there are countless complaints about this kind of a decks even on this forum. No one is able to win against this for example: https://a.pomf.cat/jcqcue.webm Pay an attention to the brains meter at the very beginning of the clip: he is able to make as many copies as he pleases. Sorry, I thought you were referring to an actual viable deck, not a hacked one, given that the OP is about balancing in the game. I assume that the Devs are on that particular case you pointed to since it's been mentioned before and we can probably expect this to be fixed within the next few weeks, maybe even days, depending on how common the issue is. No, I was answering to a certain quote "There is no one play style that wins every single time". And unfortunately, devs allow a cheating playstyle in pvzh: enabling constant instablock, playing superpowers from AI heroes, adding constant damage to the enemy player, dropping 9 resource cards on 4th turn etc. etc. While they don't do anything about it, this style will always win and this is sad. Do you want to have a civilized discussion or just like to shout out balderdash? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you write like this: "While they don't always do anything about it, this style will always win and this is sad." This is the equivalent of someone in a relationship telling the other person, "WHY DO YOU HATE ME SO MUCH!!!" because they bought the wrong kind of food for take-out. It's not that they are allowing it on purpose. Obviously the developers are right now freaking out about this hacking that is going on but game development is hard and getting out updates is slow. While there will be things that need to be done immediately because they would completely destroy the game, this isn't one of them, so the developers are working on it, but they are not staying overnight to fix it and, unless they do, these things take time, specially if the problem is something deep inside the engine they are using.

So are the zombies. Both sides have distinct advantages and disadvantages in the arena, but neither side is clearly better than the other without analyzing every single card and play style each hero can bring. Zombies get the element of surprise, trickery, deadliness, and cheap bonus attacks while plants get boosting, healing, strikethrough, and team up While there are many plant cards that are pretty powerful, zombies have plenty of other cards that can both counter and over whelm them.

You're joking right? Plants have massive healing, strike through, team up, and loads of aoe damage and zombies have what? Gargantuars that take 8 brain to use? The only op zombie cards have HUGE downsides, what downsides do nut teams have? They take no sun to use, have huge beef up bonuses, and when combined with team ups are literally unstoppable. Only an idiot would think plants don't have a clear advantage.

@CarolusRex0313 wrote:You're joking right? Plants have massive healing, strike through, team up, and loads of aoe damage and zombies have what? Gargantuars that take 8 brain to use? The only op zombie cards have HUGE downsides, what downsides do nut teams have? They take no sun to use, have huge beef up bonuses, and when combined with team ups are literally unstoppable. Only an idiot would think plants don't have a clear advantage. You're joking right? Zombies have massive creatures, strike through, afterlife, and loads of low brain cost tricks and plants have what? Low power mushrooms and nuts that get swept by weedkiller? The only op plant cards have HUGE downsides but what downsides do pet teams have? They take no brains to use, have huge beef up bonuses, and with all the synergy are literally unstoppable. Only an idiot would think zombies don't have a clear advantage. Whichever side you choose to play is going to be the weaker one in your mind. If you play Plants then Zombies are overpowered or vice versa. I play Plants so I feel like Zombies are unbalanced but if I take a moment to think like a rational adult I realize that both sides complain which means things must be fair. When one side stops pointing fingers then we have a problem.

Plants vs Zombies: Heroes is not a well balanced game

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megraam
9 years ago
@GrinningRuiner wrote:

@megraam wrote:

Unfortunately, there is such a deck in PVZH, this is what makes this game bad (one of the reasons).

No. There is no perfect deck.

The current state of the game allows existence of decks which will always win unless put against each other which is highly unlikely. I don't know if it's perfect or not but these decks always win and devs do nothing about it.
Gabochido
Seasoned Veteran
9 years ago
Would you mind listing out these decks? I'd like to try them out. I mean this seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended. I have a few decks built but they all have at least one bad matchup so I'm really curious. It would also probably help the devs to know about this tech.
megraam
9 years ago
@Gabochido wrote:

Would you mind listing out these decks? I'd like to try them out. I mean this seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended. I have a few decks built but they all have at least one bad matchup so I'm really curious. It would also probably help the devs to know about this tech.

Devs know about it since there are countless complaints about this kind of a decks even on this forum. No one is able to win against this for example: https://a.pomf.cat/jcqcue.webm

Pay an attention to the brains meter at the very beginning of the clip: he is able to make as many copies as he pleases.
Anonymous
9 years ago
Hhahahaahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Your example of a perfect deck is a video of someone cheating?!?!?

Ahahahahahahahahahahah.

Checking these boards to see what you've written next is quickly becoming one of my favorite things.

😃😃😃
megraam
9 years ago
If you don't consider the fact devs allow these cheaters roam free for almost a week unbanned a problem there is something wrong with you.

But since you're a cheater yourself I understand your lack of reasoning.
Gabochido
Seasoned Veteran
9 years ago
@megraam wrote:

@Gabochido wrote:

Would you mind listing out these decks? I'd like to try them out. I mean this seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended. I have a few decks built but they all have at least one bad matchup so I'm really curious. It would also probably help the devs to know about this tech.

Devs know about it since there are countless complaints about this kind of a decks even on this forum. No one is able to win against this for example: https://a.pomf.cat/jcqcue.webm

Pay an attention to the brains meter at the very beginning of the clip: he is able to make as many copies as he pleases.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to an actual viable deck, not a hacked one, given that the OP is about balancing in the game. I assume that the Devs are on that particular case you pointed to since it's been mentioned before and we can probably expect this to be fixed within the next few weeks, maybe even days, depending on how common the issue is.
megraam
9 years ago
@Gabochido wrote:

@megraam wrote:

@Gabochido wrote:

Would you mind listing out these decks? I'd like to try them out. I mean this seriously, no sarcasm or anything intended. I have a few decks built but they all have at least one bad matchup so I'm really curious. It would also probably help the devs to know about this tech.

Devs know about it since there are countless complaints about this kind of a decks even on this forum. No one is able to win against this for example: https://a.pomf.cat/jcqcue.webm

Pay an attention to the brains meter at the very beginning of the clip: he is able to make as many copies as he pleases.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to an actual viable deck, not a hacked one, given that the OP is about balancing in the game. I assume that the Devs are on that particular case you pointed to since it's been mentioned before and we can probably expect this to be fixed within the next few weeks, maybe even days, depending on how common the issue is.

No, I was answering to a certain quote "There is no one play style that wins every single time". And unfortunately, devs allow a cheating playstyle in pvzh: enabling constant instablock, playing superpowers from AI heroes, adding constant damage to the enemy player, dropping 9 resource cards on 4th turn etc. etc.

While they don't do anything about it, this style will always win and this is sad.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I think there is this professor pay2win deck that wins almost every time. You use teleport, deadbeard, rocket science, chickening, draw cards, fireworks guy, shield crusher, trickster, space cadet, bungee plumber, and bonus attack
Anonymous
9 years ago
And yeah, any decks that teleports tricksters is kinda overpowered
bringerofdarkne
9 years ago
They don't have that many Strikethrough Zombies if you have already looked at how many there are so I would not really depend on Strikethrough with that in mind which is why I suggested that the Zombies get more to Counter the Massive amount of Team Up Plants or give Zombies Team Up too since all Deadly can do is only kill 1plant in a lane at a time and with 2 in the same lane and the other ones getting boosted it's not really going to matter, they'll just kill off your Deadly

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