Rose / Imp - feedback

* you EA for making rose, Destroys Multiplayer... * YOU EA

For the Rose....

-Remove seeking shots, this character doesn't need it. Its too different from the other characters in the game and it makes her too easy in comparison to other characters

-Reduce her fire rate, it's too fast, the way it is now zombies get peppered with shots before you can even react to whats happening and for the damage she does way too powerful by comparison to other character that fire that fast

-Increase her shot speed, this will compensate for the removal of the seeking shots she has(It should be more like the sunflower in terms of shot speed)

-Damage is fine, with the chance to miss and change to fire rate, it will be perfect, for other class variants there should be a slight damage increase.. i.e. the Druid Rose, from 5 to 7

-Shot spread, she should be more effective at medium to short range, at longer range her shots should spread apart and be less effective

For the Imp....

-DON'T CHANGE THE MECH, ITS STATS ARE PERFECT DON'T TOUCH IT.. it came in way to fast in the beta and destroyed people, thats what make the imp bad, Mech rushes, but right now the mechs aren't that overpowering even in groups, but they are strong enough for what they are.

-His shots should do more damage like 5 to 6, and he should have a bit more health(to a max of 75)

other than that i think hes good, maybe a slight bit more damage redux when he does his spin attack, but its range should be double what the Super Brains spin is

He needs that glass cannon feel, and right now hes just glass, with the occasional spike here and there, which makes him nearly useless, especially since a rose (right now) can pepper him with five seeking shots and destroy him.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "reduce damage the further it travels" or "reduce the range of auto targeting".  The fact that her damage doesn't fall off over distance (like everyone else's does) AND the fact that she auto targets no matter if she's aiming or not is the problem.  Her rate of fire is also a concern but that can be easily fixed by allowing it to only shoot so fast as a "hip fire" and not an "aim down sights" (ADS). 

Nerf her range of auto target, and maybe let it be a little longer when ADS but allowing her to run around at full speed flinging little bolts of pew pew you're dead is WAY OP

People talking as if the Imp was OP... I played the Beta and I swear he just felt like a normal character to me. Didn't seem OP. Rose wasn't OP either. But now, Rose, Fire Rose, Druid Rose and Ice Rose. All 4 are so damn ridiculous

Imp has very high skill ceiling and should be lowered the mech is quite meh, the imp overal ability outside mech is weak, the abilities R1 and L1 are way to long cooldown and the L1 ability does't really help all that much, the R1 ability only hits one target, on top of that you do not level as imp in mech form.

Imp with auto fire is meh, imp with single shots is pathetic just weak and useless talking about z7 mech imp, on top of that any rose that can charge up attack one shots imp with no chance to dodge it, not a fun experience especially considering everyone play rose now.

Rose any rose with auto fire is ridiculously strong her range is nearly infinite i would suggest giving projectiles max travel distance she is a sniper with no skill requirement her skill ceiling does't exist.

Any rose with charging ability the fire rate when not using charging ability is way to much should be lowered, and again the travel distance of her projectiles should also be lowered.

She is easy'st to deal with at medium or close range but you just don't get that far, some of the turf takeover maps are impossible to win as zombie team if entire plants team is rose.

I don't think there's a minor fix for Rose. To even things out I think she's going to have to lose her base attack's homing feature entirely. It ridiculously overpowered. When fighting her at medium range your cover becomes irrelevant, while she gets the full benefits of it. Good luck winning that fight against an equally skilled opponent. You either need to get to point blank range (where she will probably use one of her OP abilities to destroy you or become invincible) or snipe her at long range while she's killing one of your team mates. 

Remove her homing ability, lower the duration of her special abilities and up her base attack if necessary to even things out.

Would be nice to finally get some information on the issues with Rose instead of getting copy/paste "Soon" *. Even a tiny shred of info would be nice because im seriously hating the game right now as it is. Playing MP is what i bought it for and it is unplayable as a zombie. In the frozen map and the theme park you are being decimated before you actually loaded into the game, so much fun to have 9 freak'n roses against you with tracking. How is it fair that a character can totally shred you without even having to aim properly like everyone else? Not to even mention the fire rose with a 70 damage charged shot WITH TRACKING. Please remove the tracking, it is way to strong and absolutely not needed, making it way to easy character to play compared to the other classes. Or you give everyone slight tracking or no one.... Who approved of this to be good for release?Also being put on the zombie side for 5 games in a row because you think its a good idea people can switch sides whenever the hell they feel like is ridiculous. It is unfair and should be changed ASAP!!!! Atleast give players some info on what the plans are to adress the issues ....... With origin early acces and the launch week you had plenty of time already to atleast do a emergency fix for Rose, so people could have played normally in the weekend and enjoy all features of the game.

Also 6 hours later still no info after said "shortly"

Just get it over with and remove Rose from the game altogether. I hate her guts and I never wanna see another Rose ever again.

Give the Imp some love. Why did you have to slam the nerf hammer down so hard? You crushed the Imp in every way possible and buffed Rose to crazy levels. Balance was actually way better in the BETA VERSION. How can you design a game this way???

If they buff the imp they need to be super careful. He's half the size of Rose, if his normal power becomes too strong he could easily replace her as the new master of PVP because of how tiny he is.

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@The_Masked_Doll wrote:

If they buff the imp they need to be super careful. He's half the size of Rose, if his normal power becomes too strong he could easily replace her as the new master of PVP because of how tiny he is.

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Love the Party Imp with a passion. He is just too damn cool!

Just too bad he deals no damage, dies if someone looks at him funny and can only be useful for about 10 seconds every half moon with the Mek. I get most of my kills in the Mek, too bad the Imp gets no experience while in Mek form. Maybie you could give the Imp 50 XP as a ´nice try´ bonus when he dies. I would be max rank by now if that was implemented.

The ´Impkata´ should also be renamed ´Impsuicide´ because if I use that ability I die every time and almost never kill anyone with it. 3 damage? Wow! Glass cannon!

For real, an ability that makes you almost stationary and deals poor damage... Its just death sentence for the Imp if anyone is within line of sight. Unless there is a Rose around that is. Then I don´t even need to use the 'Impsuicide' skill for be guaranteed dead in a second.

I like playing against the Imp though. Easy money, easy exp. But I generally feel dirty as a plant since some of my teammates are playing Rose and I get implicated by proximity.

Killing an Imp, even one with buffed damage is easy peas(y) if you know how to lead with weapons to compensate for bullet travel time. If the poor Imp stays stationary for even a second a half baked sneeze will finish the job properly.

Don´t buff Impkata damage back to the 6.5 dmg of BETA times. But around 4-4.5 would be nice. 10-15 more hp would be nice and about 20% dmg increase for the regular pistols would also be nice. Gave devs needs to learn how to fine tune changes and go slow not these massive herky jerky buffs/nerfs we saw post beta. Not to SMASH the nerf hammer or make some characters ascend to divinity. Beta balance was 5000% better then current state regarding Imp/Rose. All other classes are mostly fine to be honest, so they did a good job there.

I still can't play Chomper though, but I've never been good with that one. But why would anyone play Imp at the moment? The ONLY possible reasons is if you like a massive challenge or the cool factor because game play wise he´s got nothing over the other Zombies.