Rose / Imp - feedback

Can we please get an update already? MP IS NOT FUN right now. Atleast just a quick update to balance the rose.. Want to enjoy multiplayer already.

Oh my rose is just ridiculous. Her shots are homing and high accuracy, yet the only weakness she has is slightly worse abilities. This is honestly ridiculous. I just hold left click in the general direction of the enemy and i'm suddenly at the level of a pro player - despite not being near such a thing (especially due to ridiculous fps lag atm, getting a new computer soon).

Please. AT LEAST make its regular attacks deal half damage, because this is absolutely and utterly ridiculous - and by no means fear. You can seriously kill an imp in like 1.5 seconds or so without even having to try.

I can agree with you on this post for the most part.

IMP Changes:

Impkata needs a slight boost, i feel as if there is no good situation to use this skill now with it's low damage and while it was great in the beta it was way to strong in the beta and now it's to week, I would recommend each hit gains 1+damage, i think the IMP can get a health boost, mayby max hp of 65-75? i don't want them to become OP but good enough to be used for more then just the robot. Imp needs a slight nerf on it's grenade 1 sec less of stun mayby? It has a big range so it will still be very useful and mostly used for support.

Rose Changes:

Where to begin...

Well we all know they hit way to hard followed by homing, this character was meant to be support and it's become the perfect character with great damage, support skills and even escape tactics. Roses need there Time Snare ability tuned down, This is what i recommend, the time spent inside of the snare be shortened, it slows you down for way to long plus it stops your abilities...I also find it funny that you can cast Goatify on a captain in a barrel, I think the captain should be immune to that while in the barrel becuase the rose can already slow him down with her time snare ability anyways.

Default Rose: Needs to deal less damage with each shot, 10 is to high for a support character becuase if you multiply 10 by 20 which is her magazine limit she can do 200 damage if every shot hits and her fire rate is good plus homing..., mayby 6-7 per shot? A total of 120-140 damage if all shots hit enough to take out weaker zombies but not enough to take out all zombies.

Fire Rose: Needs to deal less damage with a charged shot, 70 damage a fully charged shot is way to high considering it charges fasts, burns and it has homing which can be improved via upgrades, mayby 40-45 a fully charged shot?

Ice Rose: I don't think it should deal 50 damage and freeze 100% with a charged shot, mayby 30 damage with 100% freeze or keep the 50 damage but make it where it has a 50% freeze chance? Not sure really what to do with her, but anything in a game that can slow you down or stop you from moving is super frustrating and she can do both.

Druid Rose: Mayby 1 less damage per hit should be enough considering her insane fire rate.

I have not used the other Rose becuase i have yet to unlock her so i can't speak about it.

I know this is a thread on Imp/Roses but other characters in this game need some balancing so they can become more useful, below is the list of those characters that in my opinion need some help, please ignore the below if you are only interested in Imp/Rose discussion.

Peas:

1.Law Pea: the Agent pea is better then him in almost every circumstance, mayby boosts his clip by 2 or raise his damage by 1 more per hit?

2.Rock Pea: i understand he has 150 hp and that is why he is slower, but the issue is becuase of how slow he is and his somewhat low fire rate he is not as good as other peas, mayby add a chance for him to stop enemy abilities for a short time or push enemies back as he does in the plant vs zombie games.

3.Commando Pea: plus 1 damage per shot?

Corns:

I honestly think all they need a boosts an hp, they are big targets and there role is mostly close combat so i think they should have a max HP of 150.

Chompers:

1.Armor Chomper: regular speed burrow

2.Chomp Thing: increase of health to a max of 150.

Sunflowers:

1.Default Sunflower: Max HP of 125

2.Power Flower: Plus 1 damage

3.Shadow Flower: a chance to lock enemy abilities? for support purposes

4.Metal Sunflower: plus 1 damage considering how slow she is and somewhat slow fire rate

Cactus:

1.Power Cactus: increase in spread damage

2.Future Cactus: make her charge the same as a rose, so she can jump and charge at the same time and mayby with no speed reduction? But that is optional

3.Bandit Cactus: Mayby plus 1 damage? or plus 5 to the magazine for a total of 25 magazine opposed to 20.

Captains:

immune to goatify while in Barrel

Foot soldiers:

1.General Supremo: a slight reduction in overheating delay.

2. Sky Trooper: Magazine increase  +5. 30 Magazine total

Engineers:

1.Default Engineer and Plumber are almost the same thing. mayby something to make them feel different?

2.Mechanic: Plus 1 damage per hit?

Landscaper; Slightly higher fire rate?

Scientists:

1.Physicist: Slight increase in fire rate? Bigger magazine?

2.Astronaut: a chance to push enemy slightly back?

All-Stars:

1.Baseball and Golf star are almost the same thing, mayby increase baseball stars damage in closer range plus 2 and golf stars damage increase at a distance plus 1? Considering how golf star has enhanced zoom? 

2.Hockey Star: Add poison to this character considering that he is shooting stinky gloves and his weapon already looks like it has poison coming out of it. This character as it stands is one of these worse all stars : /.

3.Wrestling Star: Compared to the Rugby this all-star losses in everything, increase his health by 25 and a slight increase in fire rate and damage at close range? or a chance to knock enemies down as if an engineer was on a jackhammer and touched you?

That's all i have, All this is in my personal experience and opinion so feel free to disagree or agree 🙂. I have used all the characters i have unlocked and i think these for the most part are characters that i find weak or never seem to see them being used as much as there counter parts.

So kinda funny...I got into a Turf Takeover game that had about 6 or 7 roses. I didn't do very well playing anyone but Cactus because the second my 'not Rose' icon appeared on the map, I got focus fired down being an easy predictable kill.

We lost in the end because Roses generally just snipe from long range and no one can cap because once you get into medium/close range the over whelming number of super brainz, scientists, and dead beards focus fire you.

See lately I have found the opposite. Although Rose is superior at range, A lot of Zombie teams have realized that their sniper game is insane. Honestly it is going to be a crazy awakening when Rose gets nerfed....Zombies will fall from the sky and just roll over teams that just did not get prepared or use to any of the other characters strengths and weaknesses. Also good teams will have those snipers mixed with shock team scientists that just make short work of everyone else.

Also....I wish I was as good as some of you snipers out there :'(, you make such short work of this field medic :-p

What I think should be done with Rose:
It's clear they want Rose to be a support character - which I completely agree with, having a character with homing shots be an offensive character just doesn't work out in terms of balance and counterplay. So that's what i'm steering this post towards - as well as nerfing it of course.

I think the damage of her basic attacks should be reduced to 5 at all ranges - and for the attack speed to be reduced by 20%

And to compensate, I think reducing the cooldowns of her abilities to be reduced by aprox 40%.

I believe this would change her from this absolutely ridiculous no-counterplay basic-attack DPSer, into an actual support. Not very complicated of a change either - all it does is make her less obnoxious, less overpowered and more supporty.

Though it would also be very possible to increase the power of each her abilities instead (they're pretty weak atm, but her basic-attack easily compensates for that) - but that would be a tiny bit more effort, so might as well do this. But please, for the love of god, if you're gonna nerf her - NERF HER BASIC ATTACK. I've hinted at this a good few times already - 

HOMING. ABILITIES. SHOULD. NOT. BE. A. MAIN. STRENTH. OF. ANY. CHARACTER. IN. ANY. GAME.

Im with you.  I played the first GW and loved it. I purchased GW2 just the other day and almost clicked for refund.  The first 3 matches were pretty much the worst thing I ever seen, since i was zombie for 3 matches in a row.  Was not until I got to be plant for a round that I came to realize its not what im doing wrong and i went to the forums to see that Rose was clearly the issue.  Thank god I played the first game and understood basic mechanics of how the game worked and gave it a shot past the first 2 hours and right now as I type this I am playing vs a team that has 6 or more roses and my spawn is camped.  I can only imagine someone who has never played this before etc. The player base is gonna just fall out.

Like i said i played the first one and I almost went for a refund.  

It should have never taken this long to patch this.  I can understand if there is plans to release new stuff. But with most games if their is something so damaging to a game like rose is atm you need to emergency patch and fix the issue and not let it get to the point where people just are not playing it until you do fix it because at that point some people are not gonna come back.

Hotfixing costs money on XBL's servers and likely PSN as well...EA or Pop Cap knowing they are going to release DLC soon is likely waiting for the DLC to drop so they can prevent from paying a hefty fee.

The article also says that the 1st hotfix w/XBL is free, I'm going to wager a guess EA would rather save that freebie for something bigger down the road.

While yes some companies eat the cost and patch sooner than later, some companies aren't EA.

Yep, I went back to playing the first game because it's more fun and balanced.  This game is so strange and lopsided.  

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@Killerboy2807 wrote:

And to compensate, I think reducing the cooldowns of her abilities to be reduced by aprox 40%.

Though it would also be very possible to increase the power of each her abilities instead (they're pretty weak atm

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🤨 You just suggested reducing rose's ability cooldowns by 40% and buffing them because her abilities are weak. I'm gonna go ahead and say you're obviously a rose main that has never played zombie side if you say her * is weak. 

Listen, even if rose's absolute bs auto attack damage and speed is nerfed there is no way in HELL on any planet in the world should her op lasting hours abilities ever get buffed. You sir are nuttier than a Tallnut 😠