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6 years ago

All a "guild qualification requirement" will do is hurt smaller guilds

So a guild needs 80 million GP to participate in the Geonosis Territory Battle. This is claimed to be to give the smaller guilds something to aim for. But it won't work like that. You honestly th...
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Stenun
6 years ago
"Vos_Landeck;c-1877910" wrote:
"Stenun;d-205637" wrote:

Why not allow us to try the Geonosis Territory War and fail? What's wrong with that?
That would be far more encouraging as it would at least show guilds what they are missing, where they are failing and show people what is needed. But by not allowing that, it remains a closed door. It's like saying to people that you can't even watch the Olympics if you didn't qualify.


Because you'd probably be the first person complaining afterwards that the TB is unfair and too hard and your entire guild got no rewards for 4 days of time spent and couldn't get any stars in the TB but wasn't able to switch to the Hoth TB so they were at least able to get some rewards. It's no different than having heroic stages on raids. If your guild is THAT small, you're not serious end game players anyway....keep cutting your teeth on the Hoth TB until you're ready.


I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you read my original post properly.

I specifically pointed out that when our guild wasn't yet able to complete the Heroic Tank, we kept trying until we were. We weren't the "first person complaining afterwards that was unfair and too hard". We picked ourselves up and tried again. Why not allow us the same opportunity with Geonosis?

Please don't try to dismiss me or my guild as "not serious" again. Thank you.

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a \"guild qualification requirement\" will do is hurt smaller guilds","id":"message:4673525","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":360,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:56117"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4673525"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4673525"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"So a guild needs 80 million GP to participate in the Geonosis Territory Battle. This is claimed to be to give the smaller guilds something to aim for. But it won't work like that. You honestly th...","body@stringLength":"1820","rawBody":"So a guild needs 80 million GP to participate in the Geonosis Territory Battle.

This is claimed to be to give the smaller guilds something to aim for. But it won't work like that.
You honestly think that if a guild is on 70 million, all the members will happily sit there and think to themselves \"oh, we have something to strive for\"? And not \"oh, I need to find another guild\"?
They then leave making it even harder for the remaining players to qualify. Suddenly the guild drops to 65 million and more players start wondering about whether they'd be better in another guild.

All that happens is that smaller guilds are punished.

But there's no need for that.

It's claimed that the participation requirement is to give smaller guilds something to aim for but excluding players doesn't achieve that. Before my current guild could defeat the Heroic Tank, we had something to aim for but we could still TRY. We could start the Heroic Tank every so often, see how well we would, and then go back to the normal Tank for a few more weeks. And now we have reached the point where we kill the Tank in less than 2 hours.
But all those failed attempts weren't wasted. They didn't put us off. Nobody thought \"I can't access this game content because I've thrown my lot in with this guild so I better now leave\". We tried, we failed, we picked ourselves up, we tried again.

Why not allow us to try the Geonosis Territory War and fail? What's wrong with that?
That would be far more encouraging as it would at least show guilds what they are missing, where they are failing and show people what is needed. But by not allowing that, it remains a closed door. It's like saying to people that you can't even watch the Olympics if you didn't qualify.","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-06-05T20:08:01.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:guild events","text":"guild events","time":"2016-04-23T18:57:10.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:4673525_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":8610},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"So a guild needs 80 million GP to participate in the Geonosis Territory Battle.

This is claimed to be to give the smaller guilds something to aim for. But it won't work like that.
You honestly think that if a guild is on 70 million, all the members will happily sit there and think to themselves \"oh, we have something to strive for\"? And not \"oh, I need to find another guild\"?
They then leave making it even harder for the remaining players to qualify. Suddenly the guild drops to 65 million and more players start wondering about whether they'd be better in another guild.

All that happens is that smaller guilds are punished.

But there's no need for that.

It's claimed that the participation requirement is to give smaller guilds something to aim for but excluding players doesn't achieve that. Before my current guild could defeat the Heroic Tank, we had something to aim for but we could still TRY. We could start the Heroic Tank every so often, see how well we would, and then go back to the normal Tank for a few more weeks. And now we have reached the point where we kill the Tank in less than 2 hours.
But all those failed attempts weren't wasted. They didn't put us off. Nobody thought \"I can't access this game content because I've thrown my lot in with this guild so I better now leave\". We tried, we failed, we picked ourselves up, we tried again.

Why not allow us to try the Geonosis Territory War and fail? What's wrong with that?
That would be far more encouraging as it would at least show guilds what they are missing, where they are failing and show people what is needed. But by not allowing that, it remains a closed door. It's like saying to people that you can't even watch the Olympics if you didn't qualify."},"Conversation:conversation:4673525":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:4673525","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4673525"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2019-06-14T10:19:36.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2019-06-14T10:19:36.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":360,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4673525":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4673525","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:4673525_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:4673525_1","lastEditTime":"2019-06-05T20:08:01.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4673531":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:4673531","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4673525"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:56117"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":4673531,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: All a \"guild qualification requirement\" will do is hurt smaller guilds","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4673531"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4673525"},"body":"
\"Vos_Landeck;c-1877910\" wrote:
\"Stenun;d-205637\" wrote:

Why not allow us to try the Geonosis Territory War and fail? What's wrong with that?
That would be far more encouraging as it would at least show guilds what they are missing, where they are failing and show people what is needed. But by not allowing that, it remains a closed door. It's like saying to people that you can't even watch the Olympics if you didn't qualify.


Because you'd probably be the first person complaining afterwards that the TB is unfair and too hard and your entire guild got no rewards for 4 days of time spent and couldn't get any stars in the TB but wasn't able to switch to the Hoth TB so they were at least able to get some rewards. It's no different than having heroic stages on raids. If your guild is THAT small, you're not serious end game players anyway....keep cutting your teeth on the Hoth TB until you're ready.


I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you read my original post properly.

I specifically pointed out that when our guild wasn't yet able to complete the Heroic Tank, we kept trying until we were. We weren't the \"first person complaining afterwards that was unfair and too hard\". We picked ourselves up and tried again. Why not allow us the same opportunity with Geonosis?

Please don't try to dismiss me or my guild as \"not serious\" again. Thank you.","body@stringLength":"1484","rawBody":"
\"Vos_Landeck;c-1877910\" wrote:
\"Stenun;d-205637\" wrote:

Why not allow us to try the Geonosis Territory War and fail? What's wrong with that?
That would be far more encouraging as it would at least show guilds what they are missing, where they are failing and show people what is needed. But by not allowing that, it remains a closed door. It's like saying to people that you can't even watch the Olympics if you didn't qualify.


Because you'd probably be the first person complaining afterwards that the TB is unfair and too hard and your entire guild got no rewards for 4 days of time spent and couldn't get any stars in the TB but wasn't able to switch to the Hoth TB so they were at least able to get some rewards. It's no different than having heroic stages on raids. If your guild is THAT small, you're not serious end game players anyway....keep cutting your teeth on the Hoth TB until you're ready.


I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you read my original post properly.

I specifically pointed out that when our guild wasn't yet able to complete the Heroic Tank, we kept trying until we were. We weren't the \"first person complaining afterwards that was unfair and too hard\". We picked ourselves up and tried again. Why not allow us the same opportunity with Geonosis?

Please don't try to dismiss me or my guild as \"not serious\" again. Thank 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