I was battling a Wiggs + Chibaze combo with my Empire team which had B2. In my playing experience, I don't mind the challenge ChiBaze presents. My win/lose ratio is quite good indicating Chibaze is not overly OP. However, there is a scenario against Chibaze where the game mechanic gets it stupid and favours Baze ability 'For Jedha'. Baze taunts automatically whenever Chirrut health goes below 100%. The problem arises when Chirrut has lost all his protection, he loses a bit of HP, triggering Baze to auto-taunt. If Chirrut has HoT, then 'Resolute Endurance' ensures Chirrut gets 4% Heal returning him to 100% health on next turn. Using B2 'Mow Down' to dispel clear Baze taunt will in fact bring Chirrut below 100% and trigger Baze to taunt again. Obviously allowing a buff to automatically apply after a successful attempt to dispel it, to me is a broken game mechanic. This ping pong effect isn't needed. I would like to see 'For Jedha' auto taunt triggered when Chirrut health goes below 50%. I know that a similar scenario can also occur. But at least the auto taunt is consistent with RG auto-taunt, and/or how FOTP Advantage is triggered. An alternative, would be to have B2 'Mow Down" apply buff immunity for every successful dispel. A similar case can be said about General Kenobi 'Soresu' where a dispel can do crit dmg - reapplying the buff that was dispelled. But that's not one I've crossed just yet.

Yes I have, and the mechanic for K2SO is different again. The taunt triggers on K2SO attack. Its not triggered automatically - though he has high counter attack chance when not debuffed.It last for one hit.

"Gavstar;87492" wrote:I was battling a Wiggs + Chibaze combo with my Empire team which had B2. In my playing experience, I don't mind the challenge ChiBaze presents. My win/lose ratio is quite good indicating Chibaze is not overly OP. However, there is a scenario against Chibaze where the game mechanic gets it **** and favours Baze ability 'For Jedha'. Baze taunts automatically whenever Chirrut health goes below 100%. The problem arises when Chirrut has lost all his protection, he loses a bit of HP, triggering Baze to auto-taunt. If Chirrut has HoT, then 'Resolute Endurance' ensures Chirrut gets 4% Heal returning him to 100% health on next turn. Using B2 'Mow Down' to dispel clear Baze taunt will in fact bring Chirrut below 100% and trigger Baze to taunt again. Obviously allowing a buff to automatically apply after a successful attempt to dispel it, to me is a broken game mechanic. This ping pong effect isn't needed. I would like to see 'For Jedha' auto taunt triggered when Chirrut health goes below 50%. I know that a similar scenario can also occur. But at least the auto taunt is consistent with RG auto-taunt, and/or how FOTP Advantage is triggered. An alternative, would be to have B2 'Mow Down" apply buff immunity for every successful dispel. A similar case can be said about General Kenobi 'Soresu' where a dispel can do crit dmg - reapplying the buff that was dispelled. But that's not one I've crossed just yet. We do not need a buffed B2, it's easy enough to beat Chaze but for a P2P combo I'd expect them to be slightly more powerful than other toons in the game. The auto Taunt is fine and you just need TFP. Considering you run Empire you really should have TFP anyway.

I do have TFP, and Chirrut cleanses all of TFP debuffs on his next move. B2 has buff immunity already on 'Mow Down', the debuff just needs to be applied on successful dispels - unresisted. Chaze is powerful, I take nothing away from it. But when it breaks a game mechanic, for example taunt buff gets dispelled, but then the taunt buff is re-applied. That to me, is broken game play.

"Gavstar;850210" wrote:I do have TFP, and Chirrut cleanses all of TFP debuffs on his next move. B2 has buff immunity already on 'Mow Down', the debuff just needs to be applied on successful dispels - unresisted. Chaze is powerful, I take nothing away from it. But when it breaks a game mechanic, for example taunt buff gets dispelled, but then the taunt buff is re-applied. That to me, is broken game play. That mechanic already existed before Baze, in RG, albeit RG's isn't on less than 100% Health but on 50%... still RG will auto taunt when any ally goes below 50% and Baze just does it on Chirrut.

Chirrut+Baze are not OP, however one ability mechanic needs to change for Baze...

theHejiN
8 years ago
Ever fought against K2SO?
gavvstar
8 years ago
Yes I have, and the mechanic for K2SO is different again. The taunt triggers on K2SO attack.
Its not triggered automatically - though he has high counter attack chance when not debuffed.
It last for one hit.
US_Underdog
8 years ago
"Gavstar;87492" wrote:
I was battling a Wiggs + Chibaze combo with my Empire team which had B2.
In my playing experience, I don't mind the challenge ChiBaze presents. My win/lose ratio is quite good indicating Chibaze is not overly OP.

However, there is a scenario against Chibaze where the game mechanic gets it **** and favours Baze ability 'For Jedha'. Baze taunts automatically whenever Chirrut health goes below 100%. The problem arises when Chirrut has lost all his protection, he loses a bit of HP, triggering Baze to auto-taunt. If Chirrut has HoT, then 'Resolute Endurance' ensures Chirrut gets 4% Heal returning him to 100% health on next turn.

Using B2 'Mow Down' to dispel clear Baze taunt will in fact bring Chirrut below 100% and trigger Baze to taunt again. Obviously allowing a buff to automatically apply after a successful attempt to dispel it, to me is a broken game mechanic. This ping pong effect isn't needed.

I would like to see 'For Jedha' auto taunt triggered when Chirrut health goes below 50%. I know that a similar scenario can also occur. But at least the auto taunt is consistent with RG auto-taunt, and/or how FOTP Advantage is triggered. An alternative, would be to have B2 'Mow Down" apply buff immunity for every successful dispel.

A similar case can be said about General Kenobi 'Soresu' where a dispel can do crit dmg - reapplying the buff that was dispelled. But that's not one I've crossed just yet.

We do not need a buffed B2, it's easy enough to beat Chaze but for a P2P combo I'd expect them to be slightly more powerful than other toons in the game. The auto Taunt is fine and you just need TFP. Considering you run Empire you really should have TFP anyway.
gavvstar
8 years ago
I do have TFP, and Chirrut cleanses all of TFP debuffs on his next move.
B2 has buff immunity already on 'Mow Down', the debuff just needs to be applied on successful dispels - unresisted.

Chaze is powerful, I take nothing away from it. But when it breaks a game mechanic, for example taunt buff gets dispelled, but then the taunt buff is re-applied. That to me, is broken game play.
Maltyrael
8 years ago
"Gavstar;850210" wrote:
I do have TFP, and Chirrut cleanses all of TFP debuffs on his next move.
B2 has buff immunity already on 'Mow Down', the debuff just needs to be applied on successful dispels - unresisted.

Chaze is powerful, I take nothing away from it. But when it breaks a game mechanic, for example taunt buff gets dispelled, but then the taunt buff is re-applied. That to me, is broken game play.

That mechanic already existed before Baze, in RG, albeit RG's isn't on less than 100% Health but on 50%... still RG will auto taunt when any ally goes below 50% and Baze just does it on Chirrut.
US_Underdog
8 years ago
"Gavstar;850210" wrote:
I do have TFP, and Chirrut cleanses all of TFP debuffs on his next move.
B2 has buff immunity already on 'Mow Down', the debuff just needs to be applied on successful dispels - unresisted.

Chaze is powerful, I take nothing away from it. But when it breaks a game mechanic, for example taunt buff gets dispelled, but then the taunt buff is re-applied. That to me, is broken game play.

If you have TFP then you aren't using him right if Chaze is still an issue. You cleanse with B2, and target Chirrut with TFP and apply ability block. Literally any toon that applies ability block renders Chirrut below-average.
Djakoff
8 years ago
dont use b2
use sun fac.
problem solved
scuba75
Rising Rookie
8 years ago
regardless of what rg description says he taunts for 2 turns ( taunt last for 2x Turn start) where baze taunts for 1 (1x full turn complete). so it is Different mechanic.
If anything RG should be adjusted to taunt at 80-100% health 50% is not a good threshold anymore with the addition of protection.

Using b2 to dispel you lost the RNG battle it happens.
BI applies before damage and many times I have used B2 to clear the taunt in the scenario you described and landing BI on Baze to prevent the taunt. Same thing with GK.
ripthestagesw
8 years ago
+1 many haven't realized so far b2 how bad against Chaze but you did. Next step is to solve your issue. Use the right toon instead of asking to change the game mechanism. To be honest I really like that b2 fails on them. If you ask me, b2's removal with his non-stop 100% TM is a bad joke, not Chaze mechanism. B2 is the worst add on to this game I really believe. Once my shard is b2 free I'll be happier. Before you call me out, I use Boba, Zariss, Chaze, GK. Don't use b2 and beat a similar squad with Boba, Chaze, GK, SF. So it is what it is. Use the right tool and drop the good old b2 way (I rip off your buffs and my DPS execute yours lol).

"Dyakoff;850226" wrote:
dont use b2
use sun fac.
problem solved
tuftedpaper85
8 years ago
If you like this mechanic, just wait until people start running palpatine with chaze. Just do the cackling laugh and it's a guaranteed taunt for baze, since it will drop Chirrut below 100% health. You'll really like that!