Fleet mafia and new ship

"BubbaFett;c-2428174" wrote:



On the other hand, if a player is a "casual" and refuses to join the shard chat and coordinate with/ respect their fellow players after being invited and proceed to climb at all different times of the day knocking people back and standing in the way of their payouts then they deserve what they get because the shard has no alternative but to knock them back when they climb....
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No disagreement on the above point. My scenario is certainly not for lack of trying to play ball and maximize crystals for everyone.

Would be great if cg would remove crystals for fleet arena. They should do it.

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

We have an open door chat, anyone is welcome, and we still have people that have ignored or refused an invite and then climb once or twice a month and cost someone a payout. This is kind of the problem with (some) casuals.

Listen I’m not against anyone getting their payout. The problem is specifically with casuals. If someone has a good grasp of how the game works, then they shouldn’t be blocked and folks should work with them and coordinate. Let people alternate payouts of first/second.

Take my fleet shard for example, it’s relatively dead. Fell thru the cracks and filled up with a bunch of nobodies. Chock full of just downright terrible players that don’t have a clue. For a while things were fine because the meta was gated by Geo TB. And these other players were so bad they couldn’t compete. Here we are a couple of years later and these same people are only just now unlocking Executor. These players have zero GLs and a g5 omicron Nebit because they don’t have a clue and more importantly they don’t care. I’ll give them credit for pursuing something and getting a 4* executor(which is insulting in and of itself that it can beat a 7* profundity/executor), but it doesn’t entitle them to sit in the top 5. Which is the mentality they have. I got something “good” and now I belong here.

We can agree to disagree on this and that’s fine. But I imagine many of you with conflicting opinions about this are probably the same people who laugh at folks who aren’t Reva ready and want in to guilds that are getting x amount of shards per TB. This game has a huge pvp aspect to it. And I have zero problems smacking down players that think they deserve something. There are innumerable resources on the internet that can teach these people proper etiquette and they don’t care enough to seek it out. I’m not here to hold your hand. I know how to look a player up and find when they pay out. And when you climb to 3 19hrs before your payout just because you think you deserve to be there, you’re doing nothing but painting a big red target on your back. They’ll get sanctioned every single time.

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

"TVF;c-2428236" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428230" wrote:

"Scottgreen;c-2428207" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else

I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.

If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.

You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.

That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.

What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .

I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.

Seems pretty messed up.

"AlexanderG;c-2428239" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428236" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428230" wrote:

"Scottgreen;c-2428207" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else

I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.

If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.

You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.

That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.

What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .

I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.

Seems pretty messed up.

They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.

"TVF;c-2428242" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428239" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428236" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428230" wrote:

"Scottgreen;c-2428207" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else

I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.

If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.

You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.

That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.

What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .

I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.

Seems pretty messed up.

They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.

But they expect me to know.

"BubbaFett;c-2428252" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428245" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428242" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428239" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428236" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428230" wrote:

"Scottgreen;c-2428207" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else

I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.

If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.

You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.

That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.

What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .

I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.

Seems pretty messed up.

They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.

But they expect me to know.

Join the shard?... geeze, it's not hard ....If what buddy is saying is accurate then it's really on you....

It's not on them to reach out to you and it's not unreasonable for them to expect a little effort on your part to get a huge sum of crystals.....

Well, there's the lack of invite for starters.

Secondly, why is the onus on me to a) join a group that I didn't know until this evening existed. b) play by a false set of rules that only exist for their convenience - and arguably are pretty shady anyway. c) why isn't it on them to reach out? I'm apparently wrong despite everything I've wrote above, about avoiding collateral damage

"AlexanderG;c-2428256" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-2428252" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428245" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428242" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428239" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428236" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428230" wrote:

"Scottgreen;c-2428207" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428164" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428145" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428144" wrote:

"TVF;c-2428111" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2428103" wrote:

"Rhydia;c-2428101" wrote:

"Lumiya;c-2428090" wrote:


Way to prove the point of the thread. Where is the problem to include everyone and work together?

Fellow mobsters and casuals? No... they are all players, smh

So are you saying there’s no such thing as casuals?

Please explain what 'casuals' means.

People that don't climb often but when they do they don't respect payouts because they don't know and don't care.

Well if they are not let into the chat of course they don't know the times, that's what the chat is for, to be able to coordinate. If the Mafia decides not to include everyone that might be able to climb, they shouldn't be surprised if those players then are knocking them down while climbing if they don't know whose payout is when. Especially if they are/were one of those Mafias that actively try to prevent them from climbing and gang(ed) up.

Sounds to me the commenter in question is now frustrated because some of the shard members don't participate in that kind of ganging up anymore and actually let those not included play the game and climb.

If that is the case then I do not feel sorry for the commenter.

Don't know why you quoted me I'm just answering the question of what a casual is.

Sure. And while it seems to me you were just answering a question (thsnk you) - the casual player might not be hitting top 5 or top 10 regularly if they're typically stopped from doing so. This is kind of the problem with shut-door fleet chats. The casual is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Pretty sure you are the same AlexaderG in my fleet shard..you are considered an "enemy" in our chat due to sniping members in the chat at their PO.
Our payout chat only shows and identifies members and "enemies" we all help eachother to obtain the most crystals. We do not have a shut door we invite anyone who asks to join., but we do notice who is respectful of others and who is not..and help eachother

I start to climb about 45 minutes before my payout and try and do the bare minimum number of battles to try and minimise disrupting anyone else

I don't know your payout time or anyone elses and I've never been invited into any chat.

If you think having maybe 3 or 4 battles over a 24 hour period (and always close to my payout is unreasonable) then I really don't get it. Or you.

You can look up people's times on gg to avoid hitting them in their time. You can also find out how to get into a chat by messaging people. If you're not in a chat and you're causing problems, it's on you unless the chat has shut you out.

That's helpful (point about .gg - thanks) but the first I'd heard about being a problem or an enemy is via the above post. Anyone from that fleet shard could have messaged me at anytime. They haven't.

What I wrote above is 100% correct, I climb late and do the fewest battles I can. I think that's being respectful. It's not the sort of "casual" play that has been discussed in this thread. .

I've not intentionally sniped anyone but I'm branded as an enemy - apparently. There's seemingly a chat, they've decided the rules but decided that someone who isn't in the club and doesn't know their rules, or payouts is an enemy. And has never been invited anyway.

Seems pretty messed up.

They don't know any of this. All they know is someone is messing up their payouts. If it's causing a problem for you, you can try to fix it.

But they expect me to know.

Join the shard?... geeze, it's not hard ....If what buddy is saying is accurate then it's really on you....

It's not on them to reach out to you and it's not unreasonable for them to expect a little effort on your part to get a huge sum of crystals.....

Well, there's the lack of invite for starters.

Secondly, why is the onus on me to a) join a group that I didn't know until this evening existed. b) play by a false set of rules that only exist for their convenience - and arguably are pretty shady anyway. c) why isn't it on them to reach out? I'm apparently wrong despite everything I've wrote above, about avoiding collateral damage

The onus is on you if you care.

If you don't, so be it.