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I was also excited for GAC to start (correctly this time). The I go into my first round matchup...
The person I am against in round 1 has 220k more character GP than me (2.882 million to 2.661 million). Has a 7*, g12+5 Malak (I don't have Malak at all). Mod-wise he has:
68 15+speed mods to my 36. 57 100+offense mods to my 26.
This is not an improvement. This is far worse than any matchup I have ever faced in any previous GA. It's not better - it's worse. Please fix the game mode - especially if this is going to be the long term \"dominant\" mode to replace arena.","body@stringLength":"685","rawBody":"So I was excited that the GA matchup algorithm was going to be improved. I was also excited for GAC to start (correctly this time). The I go into my first round matchup...
The person I am against in round 1 has 220k more character GP than me (2.882 million to 2.661 million). Has a 7*, g12+5 Malak (I don't have Malak at all). Mod-wise he has:
68 15+speed mods to my 36. 57 100+offense mods to my 26.
This is not an improvement. This is far worse than any matchup I have ever faced in any previous GA. It's not better - it's worse. Please fix the game mode - especially if this is going to be the long term \"dominant\" mode to replace arena. 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\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged. ","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T07:31:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T07:31:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796168","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1582","rawBody":"
\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796168_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:166450":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:166450","uid":166450,"login":"N0oTry","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-06-01T13:29:25.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1721239561000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:166450"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796169":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796169","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796169":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:166450"},"id":"message:3796169","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796169,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796169"},"body":"https://swgohevents.com/gp-compare","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"34","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-06-26T07:32:08.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T07:32:08.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796169","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"134","rawBody":"https://swgohevents.com/gp-compare","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796169_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796170":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796170","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796170":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:19103"},"id":"message:3796170","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796170,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796170"},"body":"
\"TVF;c-1898830\" wrote:
\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged.
Except, judging by the big bump in posts here and on reddit (and the much larger roster discrepancies posted - especially on reddit), it seems to be worse by a significant margin.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T07:36:30.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T07:36:30.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796170","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1826","rawBody":"
\"TVF;c-1898830\" wrote:
\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged.
Except, judging by the big bump in posts here and on reddit (and the much larger roster discrepancies posted - especially on reddit), it seems to be worse by a significant margin. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796170_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:148087":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:148087","uid":148087,"login":"emvedebe","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-03-22T07:10:51.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1721239641000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:148087"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796171":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796171","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796171":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:148087"},"id":"message:3796171","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796171,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796171"},"body":"
\"Hortus;c-1898786\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898730\" wrote:
We don't even agree what \"developing a better roster\" means by the looks of it.
And may be you never will, because if matchmaking is based on roster then \"better\" roster will depend on MM algorithm. And algorithm-based optimizations/exploits (aka sandbagging) may even become more important than pursuing meta teams, actual roster development, etc. Or may not, it depends.
\"building a better roster\" is the constant in the context i used it in, it doesn't change with how matchmaking changes. Point being that No_Try would like to base matchmaking on his idea of what \"building a better roster\" means, not the other way around. Before TW, or mainly GA, there was no matchmaking in swgoh, but you could still build a better roster.
If, however, MM algorithm is based purely on actual player performance, this allows you don't care about it and develop roster purely around building better squads, counters, etc., as it should be imo.
There's something logically wrong with this paragraph. It's impossible for matchmaking to be purely based on actual player performance, but also allows you to build better squads, counters, etc etc.
We don't even agree what \"developing a better roster\" means by the looks of it.
And may be you never will, because if matchmaking is based on roster then \"better\" roster will depend on MM algorithm. And algorithm-based optimizations/exploits (aka sandbagging) may even become more important than pursuing meta teams, actual roster development, etc. Or may not, it depends.
\"building a better roster\" is the constant in the context i used it in, it doesn't change with how matchmaking changes. Point being that No_Try would like to base matchmaking on his idea of what \"building a better roster\" means, not the other way around. Before TW, or mainly GA, there was no matchmaking in swgoh, but you could still build a better roster.
If, however, MM algorithm is based purely on actual player performance, this allows you don't care about it and develop roster purely around building better squads, counters, etc., as it should be imo.
There's something logically wrong with this paragraph. It's impossible for matchmaking to be purely based on actual player performance, but also allows you to build better squads, counters, etc etc.
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\"Nikoms565;c-1898845\" wrote:
\"TVF;c-1898830\" wrote:
\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged.
Except, judging by the big bump in posts here and on reddit (and the much larger roster discrepancies posted - especially on reddit), it seems to be worse by a significant margin.
Except, I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the way you keep bringing up this \"2 people have Revans and 2 don't\" as if it's in any way relevant to your thread. It's not. This was happening all the time under the previous system too.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-06-26T07:40:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T07:40:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796172","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2147","rawBody":"
\"Nikoms565;c-1898845\" wrote:
\"TVF;c-1898830\" wrote:
\"Nikoms565;c-1898726\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898660\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898652\" wrote:
\"leef;c-1898647\" wrote:
\"No_Try;c-1898599\" wrote:
There are certainly fair-er methods possible and they've already announced that was what they want to do. Trying to make it fair-er is not an effort in naught. And we are nowhere near there.
I'm not holding my breath waiting, that's for sure.
Hold it or not, it's on. Doubt you would like it to stay as it currently is. Folks are already into new method of how to circumvent it and gain advantage from it instead of just trying to play better without putting their minds into matchmaking itself.
All my viewpoints are based on the assumption that ea/cg can not ever get matchmaking \"right\", so all we can do is hope that the method they chose is favourable for us personally. Making adjustments to optimize the \"competativeness\" of your roster is a reasonable thing to do as well imo.
But I think we can all agree on, for example, the situation cited by swgohfan29 - 2 of the 8 have both Revans, 2 of the 8 have neither. That is in no way \"fair\", competitive or fun - for any of players. I've been on both sides of that situation and it's not an enjoyable gaming experience to win easily or lose easily.
Your thread title asks if the algorithm is worse than before. Based on this metric, it's basically unchanged.
Except, judging by the big bump in posts here and on reddit (and the much larger roster discrepancies posted - especially on reddit), it seems to be worse by a significant margin.
Except, I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the way you keep bringing up this \"2 people have Revans and 2 don't\" as if it's in any way relevant to your thread. It's not. This was happening all the time under the previous system too.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796172_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796173":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796173","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796173":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:85534"},"id":"message:3796173","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796173,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796173"},"body":"
Ha, that was fast.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"85","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T07:41:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T07:41:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796173","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"220","rawBody":"
Ha, that was fast. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796173_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:189628":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:189628","uid":189628,"login":"Jimbo3772","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-07-12T13:20:31.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1721239691000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:189628"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796174":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796174","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796174":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:189628"},"id":"message:3796174","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796174,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796174"},"body":"The OP hasn't really posted any usable information to assess how the matchmaking did on the match-up. Just telling us the character GP numbers doesn't tell us anything as everyone knows that there is GP fluff which is useless in a GA battle (although apparently some people are now terrified to face this roster fluff). Also, just because one person has Malak and the other doesn't, that doesn't tell us much either. You're never going to get matched up with the exact same roster as yours. Also, I'm not sure the reference to speed and offense mods means much as I don't believe the matchmaking system has ever factored in who has more speed or offense mods. However, that does tell us that the OP ran the match-up through the bot because it will spit out the number of speed mods and offense mods for each. Therefore, the fact that the OP chose to run the match-up bot but not post the match-up and only included limited information tells us that the match-up is probably fairly balanced in terms of number of G11s and G12s or possibly even in the OP's favor. Otherwise, there would be no reason to run the match-up and hide it from the post.
\"Nikoms565;c-1897699\" wrote:
I am sitting down dinner right now, but am more than happy to post full screen shots (and discord stats) to back up that claim tomorrow morning when I have more time.
Please do. Let's see the printout of the Discord bot match-up you obviously ran to get the numbers on the speed and offense mods and show us where you apparently have a huge disadvantage in terms of numbers of G11s and G12s. Otherwise, you haven't established any tangible match-making issue.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T08:14:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T08:14:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796174","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1708","rawBody":"The OP hasn't really posted any usable information to assess how the matchmaking did on the match-up. Just telling us the character GP numbers doesn't tell us anything as everyone knows that there is GP fluff which is useless in a GA battle (although apparently some people are now terrified to face this roster fluff). Also, just because one person has Malak and the other doesn't, that doesn't tell us much either. You're never going to get matched up with the exact same roster as yours. Also, I'm not sure the reference to speed and offense mods means much as I don't believe the matchmaking system has ever factored in who has more speed or offense mods. However, that does tell us that the OP ran the match-up through the bot because it will spit out the number of speed mods and offense mods for each. Therefore, the fact that the OP chose to run the match-up bot but not post the match-up and only included limited information tells us that the match-up is probably fairly balanced in terms of number of G11s and G12s or possibly even in the OP's favor. Otherwise, there would be no reason to run the match-up and hide it from the post.
\"Nikoms565;c-1897699\" wrote:
I am sitting down dinner right now, but am more than happy to post full screen shots (and discord stats) to back up that claim tomorrow morning when I have more time.
Please do. Let's see the printout of the Discord bot match-up you obviously ran to get the numbers on the speed and offense mods and show us where you apparently have a huge disadvantage in terms of numbers of G11s and G12s. Otherwise, you haven't established any tangible match-making issue. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796174_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796175":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796175","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796175":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:85534"},"id":"message:3796175","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796175,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796175"},"body":"I think OP just wants to play himself or something. He seems to want only identical rosters to be matched up, which is impossible.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"131","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-06-26T08:17:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T08:17:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796175","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"131","rawBody":"I think OP just wants to play himself or something. He seems to want only identical rosters to be matched up, which is impossible.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796175_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796176":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3796176","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3796176":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:19103"},"id":"message:3796176","revisionNum":1,"uid":3796176,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3796097"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3796097"},"subject":"Re: GA Algorithm - Worse Than Before??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3796176"},"body":"
\"Vos_Landeck;c-1898887\" wrote: The OP hasn't really posted any usable information to assess how the matchmaking did on the match-up. Just telling us the character GP numbers doesn't tell us anything as everyone knows that there is GP fluff which is useless in a GA battle (although apparently some people are now terrified to face this roster fluff). Also, just because one person has Malak and the other doesn't, that doesn't tell us much either. You're never going to get matched up with the exact same roster as yours. Also, I'm not sure the reference to speed and offense mods means much as I don't believe the matchmaking system has ever factored in who has more speed or offense mods. However, that does tell us that the OP ran the match-up through the bot because it will spit out the number of speed mods and offense mods for each. Therefore, the fact that the OP chose to run the match-up bot but not post the match-up and only included limited information tells us that the match-up is probably fairly balanced in terms of number of G11s and G12s or possibly even in the OP's favor. Otherwise, there would be no reason to run the match-up and hide it from the post.
\"Nikoms565;c-1897699\" wrote:
I am sitting down dinner right now, but am more than happy to post full screen shots (and discord stats) to back up that claim tomorrow morning when I have more time.
Please do. Let's see the printout of the Discord bot match-up you obviously ran to get the numbers on the speed and offense mods and show us where you apparently have a huge disadvantage in terms of numbers of G11s and G12s. Otherwise, you haven't established any tangible match-making issue.
Char GP :: 2.7M vs 2.9M Ship GP :: 1.7M vs 2.0M C Arena :: 31 vs 28 S Arena :: 2 vs 43 Zetas :: 64 vs 70 6 Star :: 10 vs 4 7 Star :: 180 vs 208 Gear 11 :: 27 vs 40 Gear 12 :: 72 vs 74 Mod Stats: 6* Mods :: 66 vs 63 10+ Spd :: 126 vs 219 15+ Spd :: 36 vs 68 20+ Spd :: 11 vs 14 100+ Off :: 26 vs 57 ","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T08:22:58.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T08:22:58.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796176","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2216","rawBody":"
\"Vos_Landeck;c-1898887\" wrote: The OP hasn't really posted any usable information to assess how the matchmaking did on the match-up. Just telling us the character GP numbers doesn't tell us anything as everyone knows that there is GP fluff which is useless in a GA battle (although apparently some people are now terrified to face this roster fluff). Also, just because one person has Malak and the other doesn't, that doesn't tell us much either. You're never going to get matched up with the exact same roster as yours. Also, I'm not sure the reference to speed and offense mods means much as I don't believe the matchmaking system has ever factored in who has more speed or offense mods. However, that does tell us that the OP ran the match-up through the bot because it will spit out the number of speed mods and offense mods for each. Therefore, the fact that the OP chose to run the match-up bot but not post the match-up and only included limited information tells us that the match-up is probably fairly balanced in terms of number of G11s and G12s or possibly even in the OP's favor. Otherwise, there would be no reason to run the match-up and hide it from the post.
\"Nikoms565;c-1897699\" wrote:
I am sitting down dinner right now, but am more than happy to post full screen shots (and discord stats) to back up that claim tomorrow morning when I have more time.
Please do. Let's see the printout of the Discord bot match-up you obviously ran to get the numbers on the speed and offense mods and show us where you apparently have a huge disadvantage in terms of numbers of G11s and G12s. Otherwise, you haven't established any tangible match-making issue.
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I didn't even notice the 126 10+ before, I was focused on the 36 15+. As a launch player, you can't blame bad luck for such a low number of 10+. I started in April 2017 and have 207.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-06-26T08:35:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-06-26T08:35:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3796097/message:3796177","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"255","rawBody":"You're just asking CG to cover up your lack of mod farming.
I didn't even notice the 126 10+ before, I was focused on the 36 15+. As a launch player, you can't blame bad luck for such a low number of 10+. I started in April 2017 and have 207.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3796177_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1742916204000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1742916204000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1742916204000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1742916204000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1742916204000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1742916204000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1742916204000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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