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4 years ago

GAC matchmaking - painful, but not broken

I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

End of rant, thanks for listening :-)


58 Replies

  • "Disruptor92;c-2333422" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    No. The only difference (besides Starkiller) between a 9M account and a 10M account is that the 10M account has relics on mob enforcer, cup, ugnaught etc., plus good mods on them. Those will literally not affect the matchup in any way though, since like 30% of the roster will not be used at all. And sure, they may have slightly better mods overall, but the speed averages of the toons used in the match should be very close to each other. All of this is definitely not "a lot".


    We will agree to disagree then.
  • Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
  • "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
  • "Bhaalor;c-2333431" wrote:
    "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.


    Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
  • "Disruptor92;c-2333434" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333431" wrote:
    "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.


    Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.




    really now.
  • "Bhaalor;c-2333437" wrote:
    "Disruptor92;c-2333434" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333431" wrote:
    "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.


    Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.




    really now.


    Those are not all GAC omis. The fact that you said that tells a lot about how well you scout your opponents. Maybe you did deserve the loss then.
  • "Bhaalor;c-2333437" wrote:
    "Disruptor92;c-2333434" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333431" wrote:
    "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.


    Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.




    really now.


    9 omis total and not just GAC ones, hurr durr

    I guess the next thing you gonna tell me.is that he had Chirpa and Rose omis and that they were game changers of course...
  • "Disruptor92;c-2333439" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333437" wrote:
    "Disruptor92;c-2333434" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333431" wrote:
    "Legend91;c-2333430" wrote:
    Oh god, this hilarious whining
    "Bhaalor;c-2333416" wrote:
    [
    "Disruptor92;c-2333415" wrote:
    "Bhaalor;c-2333055" wrote:
    "Ascetic_Monkfish;d-253244" wrote:
    I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
    I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.

    - Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
    - When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
    - In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
    - Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
    - a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
    - it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.


    TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet

    My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.

    End of rant, thanks for listening :-)





    I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.


    The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.


    1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?


    And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.


    Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.


    Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.




    really now.


    Those are not all GAC omis. The fact that you said that tells a lot about how well you scout your opponents. Maybe you did deserve the loss then.


    How well they scout, or how well they exaggerate?

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