GAC opponent

"QuickGoneJim;c-2206330" wrote:

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

We were told repeatedly that matchmaking is based on GP as an indicator of investment. But unfortunately and inappropriately they do not measure total investment.

I am close to my 3rd GL, have 76 relics and I am also matched against rosters with 300k to 700k more GP. Not top heavy. This whole top 80 approach doesn’t take into account that my opponents have more toons to choose from.

Top 80 isn't fair. You only need 35 on defence and often less than 35 on offence

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

So what would you base matchmaking on? Please don't say number of GLs or meta characters, because then it just reverts back to the same complaint: you should not get tougher matches for gearing the meta while others can just choose to ignore it.

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

This x10

"RandomSithLord;c-2206393" wrote:

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

So what would you base matchmaking on? Please don't say number of GLs or meta characters, because then it just reverts back to the same complaint: you should not get tougher matches for gearing the meta while others can just choose to ignore it.

And you shouldn't get easier matches because you choose not to gear toons in purpose for the sole purpose of this here system. Should be a two way street and not a one lane highway to Breezeville.

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

I think everyone can agree you shouldn't be punished for upgrading characters.

Now that that is out of the way, how are you being punished if they are making better choices than you are/did?
The match is decided by the top 80 system, meaning that you are each measured on the tools that you would need to win that match, if they are only upgrading the tools they need and can use to win, anything else they do with their roster is irrelevant. There are some arguments for total GP being relevant, but strategy can overcome that, as anyone going into 2nd and 3rd battles has already made bad choices/mistakes in the match.

no one is punishing a player for upgrades made, but a player can make better choices than someone else about who makes it into their top 80.

"QuickGoneJim;c-2206330" wrote:

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

We were told repeatedly that matchmaking is based on GP as an indicator of investment. But unfortunately and inappropriately they do not measure total investment.

I am close to my 3rd GL, have 76 relics and I am also matched against rosters with 300k to 700k more GP. Not top heavy. This whole top 80 approach doesn’t take into account that my opponents have more toons to choose from.

Yes, they have more to choose from, but they rarely do. Check your own GAC history. How many characters do round winners use to win/clear on average? How many different teams/characters do they/you use across all their rounds? Do they really use all those extra teams/characters? How many more?

"MetaThumper;c-2206941" wrote:

"RandomSithLord;c-2206393" wrote:

"Schwubb;c-2206296" wrote:
Match making have to be changed. Some ppl dont relic up their chars and dont give zetas to manipulate the matchmaking and its working.
You should never get punished for gearing up chars. Gp has like nothing to do in matchmaking.

So what would you base matchmaking on? Please don't say number of GLs or meta characters, because then it just reverts back to the same complaint: you should not get tougher matches for gearing the meta while others can just choose to ignore it.

And you shouldn't get easier matches because you choose not to gear toons in purpose for the sole purpose of this here system. Should be a two way street and not a one lane highway to Breezeville.

How would you include this "purpose" parameter in the matchmaking algorithm?

This GAC has been atrocious with 3v3 and matchmaking. I routinely pull players that have over a million more GP then I, with way more zetas and a much deeper roster than I. If those were my only issues, I could probably overcome that. When you factor in that every opponent I have had so far has had 3 GLs to my 1, I have zero chance. There needs to be a new division added to make things more fair. 3v3 limits GL counters. Many in my arena shard have the same experiences.

"Hiker1;c-2220028" wrote:
This GAC has been atrocious with 3v3 and matchmaking. I routinely pull players that have over a million more GP then I, with way more zetas and a much deeper roster than I. If those were my only issues, I could probably overcome that. When you factor in that every opponent I have had so far has had 3 GLs to my 1, I have zero chance. There needs to be a new division added to make things more fair. 3v3 limits GL counters. Many in my arena shard have the same experiences.

Your opponents with multiple GLs chose to gear/relic characters that unlock GLs instead of taking their BH, NS and JKR teams to high relic levels along with single characters like JTR and Plo Koon like you did. They built rosters more suitable for GAC than yours. It's fair that they have the benefit.

"Hiker1;c-2220028" wrote:
This GAC has been atrocious with 3v3 and matchmaking. I routinely pull players that have over a million more GP then I, with way more zetas and a much deeper roster than I. If those were my only issues, I could probably overcome that. When you factor in that every opponent I have had so far has had 3 GLs to my 1, I have zero chance. There needs to be a new division added to make things more fair. 3v3 limits GL counters. Many in my arena shard have the same experiences.

If you are facing opponents with 3 GLs to your 1 then you have some serious relic-/zeta-bloat at the top of your roster. That was your choice.

Before I had a GL, I only saw one potential opponent with a GL and his roster was very poorly balanced.

Since acquiring a GL, I see opponents with 0-1 GL. I could conceivably encounter a 2 GL opponent but they would have to have a very poorly balanced roster and there is no way I could encounter a 3 GL opponent without adding a lot more bloat to my own roster.