GAC unfair match ups

How are your top-X characters compared to your opponents'?

"chmoAr0ufif0u;c-2141505" wrote:
I got matched up against guys with 2 GL (i have one) and a *total* difference of 1.5m gp. I am at 4.8 against 6.2m. Go figure...
Though.. its (allegedly) the 80 top toons that are taken into consideration when matchmaking algo runs.

I don't like this, you could both have the same top 8p toons all maxed, while one has the rest g13/reliced, while the other has an average of g8/9 and the matchmaking would still consider this a "fair fight". If the game mode is about the top 80, then only allow people to use the top 80 instead of the whole roaster

Only half a mil difference?
Impact minimal.

1mil+ difference?
Yes, this effects the match.
Yes, this needs to be looked at when they chanhe GAC with adding more divisions etc.

Half a million does make a difference when your in lower GP.

I didn't say 'it doesnt make a difference'
I said "impact minimal"

A half mil is (presumably) ~10% deviation, thats within reason of you still having a better build than them.

For example waqui is probably half a mil higher in gp than me, but if we played it would be a walk in the park.

When youre getting into 1mil+ territory the difference in roster has not been accurately captured by the match-making.

"Jjmann;d-232849" wrote:
How does this even happen?

It happens because in the beginning of GA people were matched on total GP and complained incessantly about how unfair it was since it shouldn’t matter what’s at the bottom of your roster that you’re not actually using and CG actually listened to those people and changed it.

"xGriiMErZ;c-2141511" wrote:

"chmoAr0ufif0u;c-2141505" wrote:
I got matched up against guys with 2 GL (i have one) and a *total* difference of 1.5m gp. I am at 4.8 against 6.2m. Go figure...
Though.. its (allegedly) the 80 top toons that are taken into consideration when matchmaking algo runs.

I don't like this, you could both have the same top 8p toons all maxed, while one has the rest g13/reliced, while the other has an average of g8/9 and the matchmaking would still consider this a "fair fight". If the game mode is about the top 80, then only allow people to use the top 80 instead of the whole roaster

80 characters all maxed and none of the rest higher than g9? I have yet to see such a roster. But, ok: If only that player maxed the 80 characters, he's actually using, that match is not far off.

On average round winners in div. 1 and 2 use just about the amount of characters that MM is based on to win their rounds. If they use some characters from outside their top-80, they also leave some from inside their top-80 unused. Matching by GP of top-80 characters is very close to matching by GP of the characters that are actually used to win.

"Waqui;c-2141558" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2141533" wrote:

For example waqui is probably half a mil higher in gp than me, but if we played it would be a walk in the park.

I highly doubt, we would be matched. Top-X GP etc.
But if we did get matched up what difference would it make if I had another 500k GP in unused characters or ships (1 million difference total)?

In case of tie you would win?

"Lysandrax;c-2141768" wrote:
1) not true, having access to a greater number of higher leveled toons is and always will be an advantage, this is a counter game, having more toons to pick from to have a better counter effects the match.

2) the '70-80 toons' cannot be asserted, you might both lose a team. Maybe you both lose a second time. No one can pretend this doesnt effect the match and "thats your own fault" isn't sufficient.
GAC tie breakers are decided by something wholly out of the player's control, there will always be a bigger GP fish, it's not about finding something without flaw, it's about finding something less flawed. I do like the GP used suggestion.

1. The thing is, that the round winners don't use all those extra teams, they have access to. Last time we discussed this I actually checked your own GAC history. You yourself were using the same teams over and over again with only little variation.

2. Yes, players may lose a team on offense and still win. Sometimes 2 teams. At other times they win all battle in first attempt with several undersized wins. On average round winners use far less than 80 characters (in a 7 defensive slots scenario). Check your own GAC history, if you don't believe me. Matching by top-X GP is actually very close to matching by GP of the characters actually used to win.

As others have noted total GP doesn't factor in other than the tie breaker. Players are matched by the top X character GP where X is the number of teams both offensive and defensive times the number of characters on a team. So in Division 1 where there are 7 teams on offense and 7 more on defense, the top 70 (14*5) characters are used to determine who you fight.

Some will argue that having 90 high level characters is better since that gives more options. However the opposite is often true. Players with highly focused rosters without a lot of fat tend to perform better. Where you don't want to be is where your roster is about the same size as the character GP count.