Grand Arena Hitting Last an Advantage?

"ThisYeezy;c-1956673" wrote:
Right now I don't see this as an issue, but I would agree it would be an advantage IF the new battle logs that CG are discussing showing on SWGOH.gg are displayed before the attack phase has ended.

They most certainly should NOT show battle logs before the end of the battle phase. Knowing what squads someone has used in addition to what's on their front line could be a genuinely big advantage to players going second as they'd have a pretty clear idea of the best likely rear sector squads and could then plan their front sector attacks accordingly. I really hope CG are not idiotic enough to show used squads DURING the attack phase!

"Kyno;c-1956867" wrote:

"Dmitry_M81;c-1956855" wrote:
And it's huge advantage when you know opponent's banners, so you can either use undersized squads for extra banners or full squads for guaranteed win.
If banners (and maybe even squads defeated) are hidden - noone has advantage or disadvantage, fair deal for me.

Please explain how knowing you need to use an undersized team, makes winning the match easier??

Well, you know you NEED those banners and use undersized squad even if it's risky. Or use full squad just to win a battle 100%.
For example - CLS-Han-Chewie-c3p0 quartet can win most battles on their own, but r2d2 is nice addition which can ensure you don't screw up unexpectedly.

"Dmitry_M81;c-1956896" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956867" wrote:

"Dmitry_M81;c-1956855" wrote:
And it's huge advantage when you know opponent's banners, so you can either use undersized squads for extra banners or full squads for guaranteed win.
If banners (and maybe even squads defeated) are hidden - noone has advantage or disadvantage, fair deal for me.

Please explain how knowing you need to use an undersized team, makes winning the match easier??

Well, you know you NEED those banners and use undersized squad even if it's risky. Or use full squad just to win a battle 100%.
For example - CLS-Han-Chewie-c3p0 quartet can win most battles on their own, but r2d2 is nice addition which can ensure you don't screw up unexpectedly.

That doesnt mean you will win with 4 just because you know you need to go in with it. The battle is no easier, and it doesnt mean you couldnt have gone in with 4 and attacked first to have the same outcome.

"Darth_DeVito;c-1956952" wrote:

"4Lateralus7;c-1956754" wrote:
Let's say you have a coin. You get one point if you place it on the table heads up. You get 2 points if you flip it and get heads, zero points if tails... Your choice to just gain a point or flip. You have 3 turns to accumulate points to beat a number between 2 and 5. Would it help your decision making to know the number to beat? ?

Except that outscoring your current opponent is not the only goal in GAC. There are many additional incentive mechanisms at work here, such as championship score, rewards for feats and league promotions, in-league rank and rank-based GAC end rewards, and immediate credit rewards for beating teams. It pays off to always try for as many undersized wins as possible regardless of your opponent's banner situation. Every single banner gets you closer to a Kyber promotion and the best possible GAC end payout.

Another important difference is that you don't know which teams might be lurking in the back territories. Meaning you never have all the necessary information that would allow you to play it safe and avoid taking risks. Go for overkill in the initial battles and you might find yourself unable to beat that last team. This creates yet another incentive to always push your luck to some extent and try to win with the smallest possible advantage.

Finally, there is no such thing as a guaranteed win in SWGOH. At best you're flipping a weighted coin if you use a vastly superior squad. Even if your gear and mod advantage is through the roof, there is still a certain amount of chance involved because your game client could freeze or your internet connection might hiccup. All this modifies your game theory scenario to a point where your opponent's banners become irrelevant to a competitive player who always aims for the highest possible score.

Finally someone gets what GAC is all about, it's more that attacking first or second. Really like your comment @Darth_DeVito

i agree...they should move the start time back a little so i can attack right away...it's such a huge advantage to wipe ur opps side before they even see ur defense and theirs is just tiny fires burning
truely the sarcasm intended as this whole thread is opinion and preference...the only qol needed is to see the battle logs in review...other than a utuber streaming for entertainment value, who doesn't do the best they can in each and every battle? doesn't matter who goes first or last...just go!

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:

"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

#1
That's why rotating times were suggested? There's 4 GA in one GAC, therefore it could be set on a 6 hours rotation.

#2
The best argument to support this is pressure. Knowing your opponent final score before attacking gives you great insight on which teams may be hiding behind the front lines. It then allows you to make better decisions on which teams to use in the front line.

Just like in sports. If you know your opponent final score, you might use more aggressive techniques to overcome the challenge. It can play both ways, but generally advantages the one playing last.

The change that is suggested is modest and fair and the matter is legitimate. Why not doing it?

It's no surprise though that most of the players who have their GA start and end in the day will not agree on rotating these times around the clock. We all know fairness isn't part of the competition. It's always about selfishness...

"Dmitry_M81;c-1957512" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1957471" wrote:

"Dmitry_M81;c-1957413" wrote:

"GJO;c-1957381" wrote:
Hide the banners! Simple, easy and effective.

Perfect and the only way to stop this thread )

If someone will complain "get back banners so we can see them!" - it means knowing opponent's banners IS advantage and they used it ))

Not quite. I mean people where tin foil on their heads because they think it will keep them safe, that doesnt make it true.

I haven't seen any vote against hiding banners yet, just "it's not advantage", "do your best anyway", blah-blah-blah.
If some part of community wants to hide them as well as other part not against that - let's just hide them for good, it should be simple for devs to disable that counter.
Simple, easy, everyone happy

I dont disagree, just pointing out that if someone asks for them back, it doesnt mean it's an actual advantage.

I always hit first. I've had may opponents just give up and not even do it when I've cleared them out in the first 30min. Like some of the other posts have said, this has only failed me maybe a hand full of times.

There is no advantage to going first or second, sure you can calculate what you need to win, but that just adds to the stress of trying to get there instead of just enjoying the ga

"Ham_Sowlo_IV;c-1957305" wrote:

Going first still gives the opponent information. They know how much risk they have to take.

I said that in the post you quoted. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

"Dmitry_M81;c-1957512" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1957471" wrote:

"Dmitry_M81;c-1957413" wrote:

"GJO;c-1957381" wrote:
Hide the banners! Simple, easy and effective.

Perfect and the only way to stop this thread )

If someone will complain "get back banners so we can see them!" - it means knowing opponent's banners IS advantage and they used it ))

Not quite. I mean people where tin foil on their heads because they think it will keep them safe, that doesnt make it true.

I haven't seen any vote against hiding banners yet, just "it's not advantage", "do your best anyway", blah-blah-blah.
If some part of community wants to hide them as well as other part not against that - let's just hide them for good, it should be simple for devs to disable that counter.
Simple, easy, everyone happy

In a previous thread on the same subject, I expressed my opposition to hiding the scores. My most intense round of GA was when both my opponent and I were active at the same time. After 3-4 battles each we were tied. After 7 battles each we were tied again. That really added to the fun and intensity.