Han not shooting first

"EventineElessedil;c-2162636" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2162598" wrote:

It is working as it was programmed in the new system.

"Kyno;c-2162598" wrote:

some of the old event were built with bonus turns that seem to be on the same level as Hans. Those events are the only time that Han will have to "win" his turn, and that comes down to the new system, where TM overshoot and speed come into play.

"The only time" identified so far. Under this new system it is quite possible Han will not shoot first in the first encounter, provided the enemy characters have more preloaded TM than Han and/or are faster. We already know that the enemy characters can have more than 100% TM ... Han may start the encounter with exactly 100% TM and he does not shoot first, so the enemy MUST have more. My guess is that there are more situations like this just waiting to be found.

according to the post bonus turns will go before natural TM, including overflow. so no amount of preloaded TM should override a bonus turn.

NOTE #1: Units who have been granted a bonus turn are subject to the same rules, but they will take their turn before anyone who has not been granted a bonus turn. If there are multiple units with a bonus turn, the order is determined by the same criteria: highest overflow, then highest speed, then randomly.

@EventineElessedil

Shooting first (and ignoring Taunt, and applying Stun, and cannot be evaded) is precisely what gives Han his best value. Take that away and he loses a ton. Just say no to the nerfstick.

We all respect Kyno, but let's not misconstrue "working as programmed" - as you say, it's a meaningless term and however much you might disagree with Gifafi, Gifafi has nothing to do with the implementation of the game, so don't sweat it.

I just don't think that Han is being nerfed. There's some unintended stuff going on in the program, and as I understand it, those interactions that are leading to Han shooting after someone else goes first are on the list of things to be fixed. We don't have to say no to the nerfstick. The nerfstick isn't coming.

@EventineElessedil

I did not say that "working as programmed" was a meaningless term.

No, you said something that I thought was essentially the same thing, and thus reworded it to be pithier but, I thought, synonymous. Here's your original wording:

Everything always works as it was programmed. Computers are picky about that.

If every program works as programmed than "works as programmed" is a meaningless term. I admit the precise words are my paraphrase not your quote, but I think we can agree that it's pointless to say that a program works as programmed. That's what they do.

Han was already nerfed, that is the whole point. The new system nerfed him.

Then we disagree on the meaning of the terms. Han is bugged, not nerfed, in the way I use those terms. CG has made it clear that they intend to restore the original function, so why stress?

Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

"Vendi1983;c-2162805" wrote:
Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

Edge case, doesn't even matter (/s).

Maybe Nest is not allowed to remove Taunt during an enemy's bonus turn, another undocumented feature that is working as programmed, nothing to see here, move along. Some people call items like this "bugs", but others would say it is working as coded and therefore nothing is wrong.

"Vendi1983;c-2162805" wrote:
Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

"Ultra;c-2162823" wrote:

"Enigmatic_Potato;c-2162819" wrote:

"Vendi1983;c-2162805" wrote:
Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

dispel doesn't go through a tenacity / potency check

Normally not, but Nest's is for some reason. I have footage where you can see the taunt not being dispelled and two "Resisted" pop-ups. (One being expose)

"Enigmatic_Potato;c-2162819" wrote:

"Vendi1983;c-2162805" wrote:
Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

The way I understand it is 'can't be evaded' applies to the attack itself and the damage it does. The secondary part of the process is applying or dispelling buffs/debuffs, those still have to go through a tenacity check and can be resisted (unless it specifically says that they cannot be).

I know that swgoh.gg mechanics aren't 100% but it looks to be missing the "Effect is unresistable" tag for the taunt dispell.