"fascizio;c-1145164" wrote:"Scorpio0193;c-1143650" wrote:
I believe it's because none of the Jedi were anti-sith. We would need more from the galactic civil war SWKOTR timeframe, when they were actively training to combat the Sith. Whereas those characters on the sith side that were mentioned were actively training to combat the Jedi. Plus, two of the toons you mentioned are the same guy. Vader has his because he actively hunted the Jedi. There was no Jedi, that are in the game, that did this. Mace had one encounter with the sith, and lost. If you read the book, EP played him the entire fight in order to secure Anakin's fall to the dark side.
I'll give you a lot of that, but the bolded part is not accurate. First, Lucas said Windu won. In absence of definitive evidence in source material, you gotta go with the creator's intention. Second, it specifically says in the novelization that Mace and Palpatine reached a point near the end of the fight where they were both so entrenched in their style and the force it could have gone on indefinitely with neither side giving way... had Vapaad been Mace's only talent. Had Anakin not betrayed him it is strongly implied that Mace would have found another shatterpoint in the moment and finished the fight. Instead he found Anakin and Palpatine was able to finish the job of turning him."DedrickRogue;c-1144610" wrote:
@Sawyerstooth I'll give you most of that. However while Kenobi had a great record VS Maul, he lost multiple times as well. Even in his victories he was often bailed out by Ani(and even Ventress). I'd gladly give him anti-Sith before anyone else, but it's still a stretch.
He only lost once, their first meeting post TPM, in a 1v2 versus Maul and Savage. He later escapes with Ventress's help. After that he won a 1v2 versus Maul and Savage after Opress killed Adi Gallia. Their final meeting during the clone wars OBK was captured by death watch and never crossed blades with Maul. Then of course there was the fight in season 3 of Rebels...
He's like 0 for 3 against Dooku, but he was 3-1-1 against Maul and 1-0-1 against Vader (Vader killed him ANH, but I count a tie because OBK let him do it to motivate Luke :wink: )
"Boreas;c-1144010" wrote:"Omeah;c-1143968" wrote:"RandyMarsh;c-1143663" wrote:
"Scorpio0193;c-1143650" wrote:
I believe it's because none of the Jedi were anti-sith. We would need more from the galactic civil war SWKOTR timeframe, when they were actively training to combat the Sith. Whereas those characters on the sith side that were mentioned were actively training to combat the Jedi. Plus, two of the toons you mentioned are the same guy. Vader has his because he actively hunted the Jedi. There was no Jedi, that are in the game, that did this. Mace had one encounter with the sith, and lost. If you read the book, EP played him the entire fight in order to secure Anakin's fall to the dark side.
I'm aware sidious and palpatine are the same person; my point was that there are several sith characters in this game with anti-Jedi traits. That's all well and good, but this game isn't exactly the best representation of Star Wars, and I was speaking more in support of balancing the factions than sticking to exact recreation of the Star Wars canon.
I always LOL when someone says Windu should be anti-Sith because he defeated Sidious...
Yeah, none are saying he should be anti-bounty hunter because he killed Jango :)...
"Sawyerstooth;c-1144601" wrote:"DedrickRogue;c-1144579" wrote:"Acrofales;c-1144091" wrote:
Since when are sith (as a faction) paper to Jedi's rocks? It makes sense for there to be anti-sith Jedi, because awhile they acted as peacekeepers of the Galaxy, their main task was always to fight the dark side... and hence Sith.
No, it really wasn't. For the majority of nearly every Jedi's life the Sith were thought to be extinct. The only in-game exceptions to this are possibly Yoda, Barris, Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra. Yoda is old, and I don't believe we've gotten a new-cannon answer when/why the Sith went underground. Barriss, Ahsoka & Kanan were padawans when Maul showed up, Ezra was barely born.
They can't be anti-Sith, because there were "no" Sith. GK's line about "our specialty" was him talking out his behind, at that point he'd watched his master die to at a Sith's hand and killed exactly 0 himself.
In fact, throughout the entire new-cannon Sith kill scores of Jedi, and Kenobi & Ani(not even really a Jedi at that point) are the only 2 to take a Sith out.
As far as anyone knew at that point, Maul was dead. GK wasn't talking out of his behind. He had gone head-to-head with the only other Sith they knew of, specifically, and won. In fact, Kenobi defeated Maul EVERY time they fought, even with Savage's help. And you can't claim "scores of Jedi vs 2 Sith," when there were literally only 2 Sith at a time. If you take that as percentages, it's like 98% Jedi vs 100% of Sith. Jedi win that argument every time.
"Omeah;c-1145336" wrote:"Boreas;c-1144010" wrote:"Omeah;c-1143968" wrote:"RandyMarsh;c-1143663" wrote:
"Scorpio0193;c-1143650" wrote:
I believe it's because none of the Jedi were anti-sith. We would need more from the galactic civil war SWKOTR timeframe, when they were actively training to combat the Sith. Whereas those characters on the sith side that were mentioned were actively training to combat the Jedi. Plus, two of the toons you mentioned are the same guy. Vader has his because he actively hunted the Jedi. There was no Jedi, that are in the game, that did this. Mace had one encounter with the sith, and lost. If you read the book, EP played him the entire fight in order to secure Anakin's fall to the dark side.
I'm aware sidious and palpatine are the same person; my point was that there are several sith characters in this game with anti-Jedi traits. That's all well and good, but this game isn't exactly the best representation of Star Wars, and I was speaking more in support of balancing the factions than sticking to exact recreation of the Star Wars canon.
I always LOL when someone says Windu should be anti-Sith because he defeated Sidious...
Yeah, none are saying he should be anti-bounty hunter because he killed Jango :)...
Windu DID NOT defeat Sidious. Palpy was simply playing with him until Anakin arrived. Check lore pls
"Omeah;c-1145336" wrote:"Boreas;c-1144010" wrote:"Omeah;c-1143968" wrote:"RandyMarsh;c-1143663" wrote:
"Scorpio0193;c-1143650" wrote:
I believe it's because none of the Jedi were anti-sith. We would need more from the galactic civil war SWKOTR timeframe, when they were actively training to combat the Sith. Whereas those characters on the sith side that were mentioned were actively training to combat the Jedi. Plus, two of the toons you mentioned are the same guy. Vader has his because he actively hunted the Jedi. There was no Jedi, that are in the game, that did this. Mace had one encounter with the sith, and lost. If you read the book, EP played him the entire fight in order to secure Anakin's fall to the dark side.
I'm aware sidious and palpatine are the same person; my point was that there are several sith characters in this game with anti-Jedi traits. That's all well and good, but this game isn't exactly the best representation of Star Wars, and I was speaking more in support of balancing the factions than sticking to exact recreation of the Star Wars canon.
I always LOL when someone says Windu should be anti-Sith because he defeated Sidious...
Yeah, none are saying he should be anti-bounty hunter because he killed Jango :)...
Windu DID NOT defeat Sidious. Palpy was simply playing with him until Anakin arrived. Check lore pls
"fascizio;c-1145382" wrote:"Omeah;c-1145336" wrote:"Boreas;c-1144010" wrote:"Omeah;c-1143968" wrote:"RandyMarsh;c-1143663" wrote:
"Scorpio0193;c-1143650" wrote:
I believe it's because none of the Jedi were anti-sith. We would need more from the galactic civil war SWKOTR timeframe, when they were actively training to combat the Sith. Whereas those characters on the sith side that were mentioned were actively training to combat the Jedi. Plus, two of the toons you mentioned are the same guy. Vader has his because he actively hunted the Jedi. There was no Jedi, that are in the game, that did this. Mace had one encounter with the sith, and lost. If you read the book, EP played him the entire fight in order to secure Anakin's fall to the dark side.
I'm aware sidious and palpatine are the same person; my point was that there are several sith characters in this game with anti-Jedi traits. That's all well and good, but this game isn't exactly the best representation of Star Wars, and I was speaking more in support of balancing the factions than sticking to exact recreation of the Star Wars canon.
I always LOL when someone says Windu should be anti-Sith because he defeated Sidious...
Yeah, none are saying he should be anti-bounty hunter because he killed Jango :)...
Windu DID NOT defeat Sidious. Palpy was simply playing with him until Anakin arrived. Check lore pls
Sorry, lore does not confirm what you say it does. From RoTS:
But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. The fighting was effortless for him now; he let his body handle it without the intervention of his mind...Feeling for its shatterpoint. He found a knot of fault lines in future; he chose the largest fracture and followed it back to the here and now.
There is no definitive answer in canon either way - i.e. no omniscient narrative that confirms one way or the other - the novelization does strongly imply however that had Anakin not betrayed Mace, shatterpoint would have been the determining factor in the fight in Mace's favor.
Additionally Lucas said Mace won.
"General_Kenobi14;c-1145397" wrote:
Doesn't OB1 say in Revenge of the Sith...."Sith Lords are our speciality" I believe this would say they have special skills against them. No?
