Just saw Bulldogs video where JML with tank tech under Bastilla lead will recover his bonus protection every turn, making him practically unkillable. SEEP cant even kill him on offense, since his Link doesnt affect bonus protection, and I doubt even his ultimate will give him enough dmg to get through a tanky Luke (his undispellable shock wont help either since it only prevents health recovery). That means that SEEP cant beat the guy hes pretty much designed to counter, while Kylo can 1v5 SEEP.Cant imagine this is an intended interaction, and really hope they intend to fix this.

"Tech cannot be applied to Galactic Legend characters"

Think the best solution would be to have the tank tech only recover regular protection. That how I thought it worked.

"Merailla;c-2178641" wrote:Im pretty sure there is SEE lineup that can easily beat that..This. I would also think that a JML lead can get through that too. Lets keep in mind, there are many early videos of great theory crafting on basically every new character that show them OP and unbeatable or junk. Almost every time they have ended up somewhere in between those 2, without changes.its great to keep an eye on things like this and open up discussions, but no need to over react and start suggesting changes to kits at each turn.

"Merailla;c-2178641" wrote:Im pretty sure there is SEE lineup that can easily beat that..I cant imagine CG not testing that..it was the first thing on my mind when i looked up his kit..Lol at cg testing anything.

It’s not unbeatable. It’s definitely a PITA team but it’s not like someone can just completely block with a timeout team they can’t win. It has counters just like other teams. Also, here’s the video for those who don’t know what he’s talking about. https://youtu.be/AG69kifKViM

JML + Bastilla lead + Wat = problem

Da_Bauers
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Tech cannot be applied to Galactic Legend characters"
Sithlords_Inc
4 years ago
Think the best solution would be to have the tank tech only recover regular protection. That how I thought it worked.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Merailla;c-2178641" wrote:
Im pretty sure there is SEE lineup that can easily beat that..

This.

I would also think that a JML lead can get through that too.

Lets keep in mind, there are many early videos of great theory crafting on basically every new character that show them OP and unbeatable or junk. Almost every time they have ended up somewhere in between those 2, without changes.

its great to keep an eye on things like this and open up discussions, but no need to over react and start suggesting changes to kits at each turn.
yankeeh8er
4 years ago
"Merailla;c-2178641" wrote:
Im pretty sure there is SEE lineup that can easily beat that..

I cant imagine CG not testing that..it was the first thing on my mind when i looked up his kit..

Lol at cg testing anything.
BTTripleZero
4 years ago
It’s not unbeatable. It’s definitely a PITA team but it’s not like someone can just completely block with a timeout team they can’t win. It has counters just like other teams.

Also, here’s the video for those who don’t know what he’s talking about. https://youtu.be/AG69kifKViM
NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
There are at least 3 comps that can beat it and two key toons that you can plug and play in any lineup to beat it

It’s not OP by any means
NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
"Sithlords_Inc;c-2178665" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;c-2178663" wrote:
It’s not unbeatable. It’s definitely a PITA team but it’s not like someone can just completely block with a timeout team they can’t win. It has counters just like other teams.

Not sure if Id call Kylo with a guaranteed loss of your entire squad as the only viable option fair counter play. Maybe JKR with Han can beat it, but that remains to be seen. And the main issue I have is that this turns SEEP into a far inferior GL, Since he now loses badly to both Luke and Kylo, instead of having that rock - paper - cissors meta. Im no groundbreaking theorycrafter, so I cant say there wont be a way to make SEEP win reliably against this, but if he cant win cleanly against JML Id say theres a big problem.

Why?

Why is there a problem I’d SEE can’t win against JML but ok if JML can’t win against SEE?

SLKR is the only GL that can beat SEE and it can’t beat JML unless it’s Bastila lead with the wat tank tech as shown

It’s very rock paper scissors
BTTripleZero
4 years ago
"Sithlords_Inc;c-2178665" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;c-2178663" wrote:
It’s not unbeatable. It’s definitely a PITA team but it’s not like someone can just completely block with a timeout team they can’t win. It has counters just like other teams.

Not sure if Id call Kylo with a guaranteed loss of your entire squad as the only viable option fair counter play. Maybe JKR with Han can beat it, but that remains to be seen. And the main issue I have is that this turns SEEP into a far inferior GL, Since he now loses badly to both Luke and Kylo, instead of having that rock - paper - cissors meta. Im no groundbreaking theorycrafter, so I cant say there wont be a way to make SEEP win reliably against this, but if he cant win cleanly against JML Id say theres a big problem.

SLKR isn’t the only counter. As you mentioned, Han is a very useful counter character here, as he stuns Wat and prevents that bonus turn. I think it’s a huge leap to say that SEE is the worst GL now. Just 24 hours it was “clear” that both dark side GLs were better and Luke sucked.
BTTripleZero
4 years ago
Although I will hint that if this bothers you as a SEE owner, you might really hate me soon ?
InyakSolomon88
4 years ago
"Sithlords_Inc;c-2178673" wrote:

GML can Auto Kylo without losing a single toon, whereas Kylo can 1v5 SEEP. They both demolish one respectice GL. SEEP smashing GML is the only thing that would balance this out. Otherwise it would be like playing rock paper cissors where paper beats cissors. Kylo having a chance to beat GML (had GAS taken another turn it could have gone VERY differently) in a very messy fashion doesnt fix this in any regard.

You seem to be missing a GL in this scenario. Who's to say Rey can't beat JML?