Kenobi - Finale (Spoilers)
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"harvestmouse;c-2369311" wrote:"Nihion;c-2369304" wrote:"harvestmouse;c-2369289" wrote:"Nihion;c-2369285" wrote:"harvestmouse;c-2369261" wrote:"Sebek;c-2369259" wrote:"harvestmouse;c-2369258" wrote:"Ultra;c-2369256" wrote:"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph….
No, I didn't! I literally said "The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me." The agenda kills the fantasy for me, not the person. The Reva actress is pretty cool, I love her moody looks.
I don't have a problem with black or female people having a strong/lead role.
I do have a problem with real life issues/a real life agenda in my science fiction. It affects my belief of the fantasy. The fact that Star Wars hasn't had a lead/strong black female up to now; this strikes me of a 'woke agenda' created character to cover bases.
I have a problem with Reva character. She's meaner than the GI, and (from what I've seen so far) appears to kill the GI. As the GI appears later, it's bizarre and feels artificially created to avoid real life issues backlash.
When I saw Rebels, and you thought about the GI. My thoughts are that the GI is the meanest of the inquisitors. And is at the top because of that, now we find out that's not the case. It messes with my perceived order of things for not reason other than .... A real life agenda (In my opinion, not fact).
And that's become the norm; typically Star Wars messes with what you imagined the past to be. I'm having a problem with the Leia/Kenobi relationship too. As in A New Hope, Leia appears to have had no personal relationship with Kenobi.
Almost all sci-fi/fantasy stories are influenced by real life issues.
For example Ewoks vs. Empire was inspired by the USA vs. The Viet Cong.
It's my major beef with George Orwell's work. I want fantasy to escape real life issues.
I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. At least in my mind, and that's where the fantasy exists. Only my mind can tell me if it thinks there's an agenda or not.
Fantasy has never been about escaping real life issues and never will be. If a story ever was completely detached from reality, it would likely have nothing for readers to relate to.
"I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. "
Well I think you’re wrong, but you’ve already told people that you won’t listen to anyone, if only your mind can tell you. I think we all know why you mentioned it, and that’s because you don’t like that “agenda,” but you’re backtracking because someone pointed that out.
"Well I think you’re wrong" - You're entitled to your opinion. I don't even think I have a popular opinion. However, it is my opinion. I great respect that you used 'I think'.
"but you’ve already told people that you won’t listen to anyone" - Where did I even insinuate that? I 'liked' Wed Santa's and AlexanderG's posts as I thought they were insightful and valid.
" if only your mind can tell you. " - Only your mind can tell you? If so, I agree.
"you’re backtracking because someone pointed that out." - I don't think I'm back tracking. My issue with a lot of responses on this site is 'putting words in my/others mouths'. That's happened several times here. So I'm clarifying my stance.
If 'that' is what I wrote in my original post, I stand by it. It is what it is. Just don't manipulate it to mean what you want it to mean. If I say I'm not keen on oranges. Don't ask me 'Why do you hate citrus fruit?'
“Only my mind can tell me if it thinks there’s an agenda or not.”
This is my opinion: This discussion has been so deconstructed and redefined that we’re far away from your original statement. I think that was on purpose. Notice that the only thing you didn’t address in my post was the thing that directly related to your original claim. That’s not putting words in your mouth, that’s just looking at what you said.
Since we’re way off from what you said and the actual topic, whatever. You have your opinion, and that’s great. I just hope that at the end of the day you think it’s okay to have diversity in Star Wars.
