Kenobi - Finale (Spoilers)
last ep discussions
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Note: I've muddled up 3rd and 4th sisters in past posts.
"3. When Maul was cut in half and appeared later with cybernetic legs, THAT felt forced." - Agreed. They are trying to ring the most out of characters. Kenobi's had enough excitement for 10 lives. Star Wars guys don't seem to learn from their mistakes.
"I know you're being honest about having problems with Reva's character, but I don't think you're being honest with yourself about the galaxy she's living in or the character's own story." - Hmmmm, well I've only watched episode 1 & 2 and have based my opinion on that.
From what we know of the Inquisitors, the 'Grand' Inquisitor is the top inquisitor. We have the 4th sister and 5th brother playing the roles you expect of inquisitors alongside the GI. However, you have another inquisitor 'Reva' that's playing a role that supersedes the GI. Why was this necessary? Why was it relevant to the Kenobi story? Is it good for the general order of things as we know it? I mean would it fit if we found out that actually there was this other Sith Lord during this period that bullied Vader? It just doesn't fit, so why did they do it? Thus my original statement. It smells of woke agenda.
"2. She's angry for a reason: she's driven to kill......" - Sorry, this is a spoiler for me.
"yeah, but there's no way to fix this. No one said, "I hate white men and now I'm casting this role with a Black woman actor just to advance my political agenda." - I don't think that. I do think we're living in a culture where you can get cancelled very easily. Disney play that game very well, positive PR is the name of the game.
"They cast the role and then YOU DECIDED that this was wrong and bad and political. There is literally no way to prevent racist people from thinking that a Black actor was cast because of her race EXCEPT to never ever ever cast a Black actor in a leading role." - Hmmm, no this is not what I meant. Enfys Nest, Greef Karga, Lando I adore. So, all the major roles for the Kenobi episode are fairly set. Kenobi, Skywalkers, Darth, GI, Palp, Organas. However, you have one new role, that being Reva. Was Reva A. a role that was cast for, and then the actor who got the role got it out of merit (I can believe out of merit as she is truly great) or was it B. a role pushed into the storyline because of a real world agenda? That's the crux of my point. I guess if it was 'A.', then my view is extremely disappointing and sad. I can see that.
"You admit it when you say that you're judging the casting of the current 3rd Sister's actor against the casting of past white actors." - Maybe no? I'm saying that I think that 'They're aware they haven't cast a black female as a lead before and therefore felt they had to address it for PR reasons.' I never said anything about white actors. Critical feedback about diverse casting being an agenda, is not a new thing in Star Wars, right?
"Why is that? Why do you care that past actors were white?" - For me you've added your sums and come to an incorrect conclusion. I don't have a problem with Reva being in the storyline. I really don't have a problem with the person they cast for Reva, she's extremely good. I do find Reva's role in the story odd and (so far) unnecessarily high profile. Which drew me to the conclusion of an agenda. To paraphrase myself I said something like 'smells of woke agenda, which kills the fantasy for me; a black female lead' right?
"3. When Maul was cut in half and appeared later with cybernetic legs, THAT felt forced." - Agreed. They are trying to ring the most out of characters. Kenobi's had enough excitement for 10 lives. Star Wars guys don't seem to learn from their mistakes.
"I know you're being honest about having problems with Reva's character, but I don't think you're being honest with yourself about the galaxy she's living in or the character's own story." - Hmmmm, well I've only watched episode 1 & 2 and have based my opinion on that.
From what we know of the Inquisitors, the 'Grand' Inquisitor is the top inquisitor. We have the 4th sister and 5th brother playing the roles you expect of inquisitors alongside the GI. However, you have another inquisitor 'Reva' that's playing a role that supersedes the GI. Why was this necessary? Why was it relevant to the Kenobi story? Is it good for the general order of things as we know it? I mean would it fit if we found out that actually there was this other Sith Lord during this period that bullied Vader? It just doesn't fit, so why did they do it? Thus my original statement. It smells of woke agenda.
"2. She's angry for a reason: she's driven to kill......" - Sorry, this is a spoiler for me.
"yeah, but there's no way to fix this. No one said, "I hate white men and now I'm casting this role with a Black woman actor just to advance my political agenda." - I don't think that. I do think we're living in a culture where you can get cancelled very easily. Disney play that game very well, positive PR is the name of the game.
"They cast the role and then YOU DECIDED that this was wrong and bad and political. There is literally no way to prevent racist people from thinking that a Black actor was cast because of her race EXCEPT to never ever ever cast a Black actor in a leading role." - Hmmm, no this is not what I meant. Enfys Nest, Greef Karga, Lando I adore. So, all the major roles for the Kenobi episode are fairly set. Kenobi, Skywalkers, Darth, GI, Palp, Organas. However, you have one new role, that being Reva. Was Reva A. a role that was cast for, and then the actor who got the role got it out of merit (I can believe out of merit as she is truly great) or was it B. a role pushed into the storyline because of a real world agenda? That's the crux of my point. I guess if it was 'A.', then my view is extremely disappointing and sad. I can see that.
"You admit it when you say that you're judging the casting of the current 3rd Sister's actor against the casting of past white actors." - Maybe no? I'm saying that I think that 'They're aware they haven't cast a black female as a lead before and therefore felt they had to address it for PR reasons.' I never said anything about white actors. Critical feedback about diverse casting being an agenda, is not a new thing in Star Wars, right?
"Why is that? Why do you care that past actors were white?" - For me you've added your sums and come to an incorrect conclusion. I don't have a problem with Reva being in the storyline. I really don't have a problem with the person they cast for Reva, she's extremely good. I do find Reva's role in the story odd and (so far) unnecessarily high profile. Which drew me to the conclusion of an agenda. To paraphrase myself I said something like 'smells of woke agenda, which kills the fantasy for me; a black female lead' right?
