Kenobi - Finale (Spoilers)

Star Wars guys don't seem to learn from their mistakes.

LOL. Completely agreed. Marvel characters as well, for that matter. Dr. Strange is all, "Oh, better not tamper with forbidden knowledge! That's worked out poorly the last 25 times I tried it. Aww, but maybe this one will be different: let's tamper!"

well I've only watched episode 1 & 2 and have based my opinion on that.

My apologies, but you did enter into a thread for the final episode that was clearly marked "spoilers" so... I guess this one isn't entirely my fault?

"yeah, but there's no way to fix this. No one said, "I hate white men and now I'm casting this role with a Black woman actor just to advance my political agenda."

- I don't think that. I do think we're living in a culture where you can get cancelled very easily. Disney play that game very well, positive PR is the name of the game.

Okay, so you don't think that they are rubbing their hands together saying, "I hate white men," but either
1. You still believe the 2nd part (that they cast the role with a political agenda in mind)
OR
2. They aren't playing a political game at all. They're just trying to make money in a world where people are voting with their dollars to see a diverse cast.

Are they playing PR and giving people what they like to see? Or are they being woke?

Because corporations trying to make money isn't news. It seems like you're trying to take back your earlier statement that they have a woke political agenda and are replacing it with a different statement: that they are just trying to give the people what they want. If everyone wanted a white hero, if that's what people really cared about enough to make Disney more money, then they'd give everyone a white hero. If it made them more money to have stupid writing but great special effects, guess what you'll get?

That's not political. That's not woke. That's just real life.

"You admit it when you say that you're judging the casting of the current 3rd Sister's actor against the casting of past white actors."

- Maybe no? I'm saying that I think that 'They're aware they haven't cast a black female as a lead before and therefore felt they had to address it for PR reasons.' I never said anything about white actors. Critical feedback about diverse casting being an agenda, is not a new thing in Star Wars, right?

Okay, this gets a little complicated, but it has the same problem. You're saying that you don't have a problem because they haven't previously cast Black women as heroes, but Disney has a problem with Black women not being cast as heroes, so Disney is trying to correct that problem and you're just mad that they're trying to correct that problem that they have because it shouldn't even be a problem.

Okay, but see my response to the last quote. You shouldn't be upset with the casting of 3rdSis. Even if this was all true (and we don't know that it is, she could have just been cast b/c the director loved her), your problem would be that Black communities spend more money on entertainment that stars Black actors and liberal communities spend more money on just having diversity in general, and together those two communities have enough dollars that Disney starts drooling.

Again, there's nothing that Disney's doing wrong there. Even our plots are chosen with an eye to making money. Think about the movies that almost didn't get made because "no one wants to see a story about X, it's too depressing". There have to be even more that ACTUALLY didn't get made because the plot didn't appeal to popular prejudices about what movies are for, how you should feel when walking out of the theater, and what kind of movie makes you feel that way.

It's also a bit odd, because if critical feedback about diverse casting isn't new, and if Disney still hasn't had Black women heroes (or enough of them, depending on how you classify Nest as a hero or not, given how little time she had on screen), then doesn't that say that they're good at not giving into the pressure? Doesn't it say that they're sticking to choosing the best actor and letting the races portrayed in roles fall wherever they may?

Your criticism only makes sense if critical feedback about casting is a new thing, and that Disney has never shown an ability to resist outside pressure regarding casting before.

Okay, that's enough for me. Thanks for listening and thanks for thinking.