Kenobi - Finale (Spoilers)
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"LordDirt;c-2369153" wrote:
Just watched Rebels S2:E2 again-
Palpatine - Skywalkers apprentice could lead us to other lost Jedi
Vader - Such as Kenobi
Palpatine- Perhaps, if he lives. Be patient, my old friend for now dispatch another Inquisitor to hunt them down.
Guess Kenobi opened yet another plot hole.
Nah because thats years later... for all vader knows kenobi may be dead now....
Though i wouldnt ever think so as we are talking a 9 year time from kenobi show to ANH.
Id figure he may be too old to fight, but not dead"Starslayer;c-2369150" wrote:
"SerWulfgar;c-2369033" wrote:
I personally always considered the "I will do what I must" mindset equal of the first line of the jedi code. In my mind that was cool, invoking (briefly) the essence of the jedi. Now, if you do what you must, dont end up tearing and mumblng "I am sorry". Like... No. I think that scene made very little sense. If your friend is "truly dead" remind me again what exactly is stopping you from killing a Sith Lord?
Because he's not a perfect robot-jedi and still have feelings ? We witnessed on several occasions in different shows that "There is no emotion, there is peace." was not Obi-Wan's forte.
Fair enough and all that.
But Kenobi knew what is duty well enough. In AotC he continues to pursue the Count, in RotS he kills his friend (or so he was convinced, the burning was a bit too much for him to witness).
I do realize he had to come to the "Anakin is dead" conclusion bc that's what he tells Luke, and stands by his principle even in RotJ, but then he should have no emotional inhibition to kill him. Vader was not disarmed, he was still able to fight, he was a certified Sith Lord, and Kenobi was pretty effin the perfect jedi in that fight. He found so much strength in devotion (arguably love is also involved) towards Leia and Luke that he simply owned Vader.
Not killing him feels like a plot armor that Arya Stark would envy."Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?"LordDirt;c-2369153" wrote:
Guess Kenobi opened yet another plot hole.
Star Wars is built off of plot holes, the original trilogy should’ve been enough evidence for this"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph…."Ultra;c-2369256" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph….
No, I didn't! I literally said "The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me." The agenda kills the fantasy for me, not the person. The Reva actress is pretty cool, I love her moody looks.
I don't have a problem with black or female people having a strong/lead role.
I do have a problem with real life issues/a real life agenda in my science fiction. It affects my belief of the fantasy. The fact that Star Wars hasn't had a lead/strong black female up to now; this strikes me of a 'woke agenda' created character to cover bases.
I have a problem with Reva character. She's meaner than the GI, and (from what I've seen so far) appears to kill the GI. As the GI appears later, it's bizarre and feels artificially created to avoid real life issues backlash.
When I saw Rebels, and you thought about the GI. My thoughts are that the GI is the meanest of the inquisitors. And is at the top because of that, now we find out that's not the case. It messes with my perceived order of things for not reason other than .... A real life agenda (In my opinion, not fact).
And that's become the norm; typically Star Wars messes with what you imagined the past to be. I'm having a problem with the Leia/Kenobi relationship too. As in A New Hope, Leia appears to have had no personal relationship with Kenobi."harvestmouse;c-2369261" wrote:
I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. At least in my mind, and that's where the fantasy exists. Only my mind can tell me if it thinks there's an agenda or not.
‘Mouse are you genuinely saying you think 1984 would have been a better book without all the pesky politics? That’s a fairly bold statement. I’d be interested in how you take that argument to a conclusion.
For my tuppence worth, I’m not too bothered about ‘woke agendas’ if the story is a good one. So recent Dr Who season is a fail and Ms Marvel is a solid A+ (so far) IMHO. I don’t personally see much evidence of redundant wokery in Kenobi - but it could do with better writing definitely"harvestmouse;c-2369261" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369259" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369258" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2369256" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph….
No, I didn't! I literally said "The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me." The agenda kills the fantasy for me, not the person. The Reva actress is pretty cool, I love her moody looks.
I don't have a problem with black or female people having a strong/lead role.
I do have a problem with real life issues/a real life agenda in my science fiction. It affects my belief of the fantasy. The fact that Star Wars hasn't had a lead/strong black female up to now; this strikes me of a 'woke agenda' created character to cover bases.
I have a problem with Reva character. She's meaner than the GI, and (from what I've seen so far) appears to kill the GI. As the GI appears later, it's bizarre and feels artificially created to avoid real life issues backlash.
When I saw Rebels, and you thought about the GI. My thoughts are that the GI is the meanest of the inquisitors. And is at the top because of that, now we find out that's not the case. It messes with my perceived order of things for not reason other than .... A real life agenda (In my opinion, not fact).
And that's become the norm; typically Star Wars messes with what you imagined the past to be. I'm having a problem with the Leia/Kenobi relationship too. As in A New Hope, Leia appears to have had no personal relationship with Kenobi.
Almost all sci-fi/fantasy stories are influenced by real life issues.
For example Ewoks vs. Empire was inspired by the USA vs. The Viet Cong.
It's my major beef with George Orwell's work. I want fantasy to escape real life issues.
Maybe George Orwell isn't really for you. 1984 and Animal Farm are political works - the latter being a satirical tale about the Russian Revolution and Stalinism.
You know, kind of real things."harvestmouse;c-2369261" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369259" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369258" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2369256" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph….
No, I didn't! I literally said "The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me." The agenda kills the fantasy for me, not the person. The Reva actress is pretty cool, I love her moody looks.
I don't have a problem with black or female people having a strong/lead role.
I do have a problem with real life issues/a real life agenda in my science fiction. It affects my belief of the fantasy. The fact that Star Wars hasn't had a lead/strong black female up to now; this strikes me of a 'woke agenda' created character to cover bases.
I have a problem with Reva character. She's meaner than the GI, and (from what I've seen so far) appears to kill the GI. As the GI appears later, it's bizarre and feels artificially created to avoid real life issues backlash.
When I saw Rebels, and you thought about the GI. My thoughts are that the GI is the meanest of the inquisitors. And is at the top because of that, now we find out that's not the case. It messes with my perceived order of things for not reason other than .... A real life agenda (In my opinion, not fact).
And that's become the norm; typically Star Wars messes with what you imagined the past to be. I'm having a problem with the Leia/Kenobi relationship too. As in A New Hope, Leia appears to have had no personal relationship with Kenobi.
Almost all sci-fi/fantasy stories are influenced by real life issues.
For example Ewoks vs. Empire was inspired by the USA vs. The Viet Cong.
It's my major beef with George Orwell's work. I want fantasy to escape real life issues.
I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. At least in my mind, and that's where the fantasy exists. Only my mind can tell me if it thinks there's an agenda or not.
Fantasy has never been about escaping real life issues and never will be. If a story ever was completely detached from reality, it would likely have nothing for readers to relate to."harvestmouse;c-2369289" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2369285" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369261" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369259" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369258" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2369256" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369199" wrote:
"Sebek;c-2369190" wrote:
"harvestmouse;c-2369189" wrote:
I've watched episodes 1-2 so far. I heard amazing things about the series and I have to say I'm a bit underwhelmed, but love anything Star Wars.
McGregor is great of course.
I found the first episode a bit boring. Look at A new hope's portrayal of Tatooine. All those interesting characters wandering around. Snaggletooth, Hammerhead, Squid face, Ponda Baba, Greedo! There's none of that here.......
And also sending mixed messages.
Kenobi: I am not a jedi anymore!
Kenobi: I need to train the boy!
Kenobi: I'm not the man I was....
Make up your mind man!
Episode 2 was much more exciting and introduced us to a fantastic new world!
However......... The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me. Black, female actually more kick *** than the GI. Who we know is still the GI later. I don't think this does anybody any favours.
Oh and I was super looking forward to the 4-LOM cameo. Yet it wasn't 4-LOM. Just some other droid that moved like he'd been in a retirement home for the elderly metallic for a long time..........and died as such.
Cool green eyes though!!!
Oh no, women and black people are in the universe... What will we do?!
Misquote much?
You literally said a black female killed the fantasy for you in the same paragraph….
No, I didn't! I literally said "The 4th sister stinks of 'woke agenda' which....... kills the fantasy for me." The agenda kills the fantasy for me, not the person. The Reva actress is pretty cool, I love her moody looks.
I don't have a problem with black or female people having a strong/lead role.
I do have a problem with real life issues/a real life agenda in my science fiction. It affects my belief of the fantasy. The fact that Star Wars hasn't had a lead/strong black female up to now; this strikes me of a 'woke agenda' created character to cover bases.
I have a problem with Reva character. She's meaner than the GI, and (from what I've seen so far) appears to kill the GI. As the GI appears later, it's bizarre and feels artificially created to avoid real life issues backlash.
When I saw Rebels, and you thought about the GI. My thoughts are that the GI is the meanest of the inquisitors. And is at the top because of that, now we find out that's not the case. It messes with my perceived order of things for not reason other than .... A real life agenda (In my opinion, not fact).
And that's become the norm; typically Star Wars messes with what you imagined the past to be. I'm having a problem with the Leia/Kenobi relationship too. As in A New Hope, Leia appears to have had no personal relationship with Kenobi.
Almost all sci-fi/fantasy stories are influenced by real life issues.
For example Ewoks vs. Empire was inspired by the USA vs. The Viet Cong.
It's my major beef with George Orwell's work. I want fantasy to escape real life issues.
I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. At least in my mind, and that's where the fantasy exists. Only my mind can tell me if it thinks there's an agenda or not.
Fantasy has never been about escaping real life issues and never will be. If a story ever was completely detached from reality, it would likely have nothing for readers to relate to.
"I think influenced and an agenda are 2 different things though. "
Well I think you’re wrong, but you’ve already told people that you won’t listen to anyone, if only your mind can tell you. I think we all know why you mentioned it, and that’s because you don’t like that “agenda,” but you’re backtracking because someone pointed that out.
