Why should getting into Kyber League (and getting the associated rewards, which are not being differentiated by division as we were originally told) be so much harder for division 1 and 2? If rewards are going to be the same across all divisions, points required to achieve each league should be the same across all divisions. Yes. That will mean that division 1 and 2 will achieve kyber league in MUCH greater percentages than other leagues due to innately getting more points due to setting more defenses and attacking more teams. That is fair though since they are managing more characters and teams. They SHOULD get better chances at the best set of rewards.I have more points than anyone in my guild by over 1400, but I am not in kyber league (going to miss it by 900, 1 win) while half a dozen people in lower leagues are in kyber league. In fact, there are people in kyber league with 6000 points less than me that are in kyber. That actually suggests ~4 rounds lost (since rank 1 d3 has 2000 points fewer than me and I'll assume that rank 1 person has not lost any rounds) and the ability to lose a 5th and still make kyber. I have only lost 2 rounds so far but it looks like I will lose this last round too for a total of 3 lost rounds which keeps me out of kyber. Those people in my guild in division 3 are going to get the best rewards while I have spent more time, and attacked more teams with less overall fail rates, and I am not in kyber league. Why?

"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

I just did the math for d3. Attack banners64*6 = 384Defense setting90*6 = 540Zone clears(180+150)*2 = 660Win1000Total 384 + 540 + 660 + 1000 = 258412*2464 = 31008Kyber for d3 is at 28500.Now if you go for 60 banner wins you get 360 instead of 384 putting you at 29280. Full clears with no feats in d3 gets you to kyber. Not only does that get you to kyber, but you can even lose 2 rounds and still get kyber easily without doing any feats.Full clears + wins and no feats for d2 and d1 do NOT get you to kyber. (The math is earlier in the thread, clears + wins nets 35424, kyber at 35500). Feats are REQUIRED for d1 and d2 to get to kyber...

I’m in Div 2 and just made Kyber. I’m going to be 10-2 (having lost this last match). I completed most but not all feats and still have 2 left to get (the arenas). Most players I play against go heavy on defense which is probably why most winning players are not making kyber.It’s tough to make it, but certainly not impossible. I do agree, however, that each division should be equivalent in making kyber.

"Corpus;c-1997420" wrote:"Kerrigan;c-1997409" wrote:Full clears + wins and no feats for d2 and d1 do NOT get you to kyber. (The math is earlier in the thread, clears + wins nets 35424, kyber at 35500). Feats are REQUIRED for d1 and d2 to get to kyber...If you are doing full clears and scoring 64 on each battle (or 60), you are also getting feats by default and therefore Kyber in Div 1, 2, or 3.and you get banned for cheating after that aswell ;)i mean it is obv that the higher your gp goes the lower the chances are you will end up in kyberin div 1 there are like 3 people out of the top 10 that are slightly above 5 m gpeveryone else is below 5 mits not hard to understand why no 6m gp whales end up in those top spotsand its not because they just throw money and have no idea how to play the gameso basically the high gp whales are getting a kick in the a s s for investing moneyonly fighting the same enemies over and over again where only mods make a difference because everyone has the teams maxed there are no lazy 63 points nest vs ewoks battles in that gp rangeso that combined with the way higher requirements for kyber compared to div 3 and below doesnt sound like the whole ranking system makes any senseand lets be honestgetting to kyber below div 2 isnt even something special

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LiathSW
6 years ago
"icanectc;c-1997306" wrote:
"Liath;c-1997304" wrote:
"icanectc;c-1997299" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:
Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?

What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...

Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

Why should above average be good enough to reach the highest league? There are 5 leagues, shouldn't you have to be in the top 20% to get to kyber?

Im pretty sure i answered your question...

Obviously I disagree.
icanectc
6 years ago
"Liath;c-1997308" wrote:
"icanectc;c-1997306" wrote:
"Liath;c-1997304" wrote:
"icanectc;c-1997299" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:
Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?

What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...

Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

Why should above average be good enough to reach the highest league? There are 5 leagues, shouldn't you have to be in the top 20% to get to kyber?

Im pretty sure i answered your question...

Obviously I disagree.

You can disagree with what i said; but i certainly provided anecdotal evidence supporting why i think above average win loss rate with feats should be good enough to earn kyber, like it is in other divisions... And I'll add another point because higher gp makes it all the more difficult means a larger room for error should be acceptable.

Just my opinion but i did back up my opinion with reasons... Again you can disagree but i certainly answered your question before you even asked it.
LiathSW
6 years ago
"icanectc;c-1997315" wrote:
"Liath;c-1997308" wrote:
"icanectc;c-1997306" wrote:
"Liath;c-1997304" wrote:
"icanectc;c-1997299" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:
Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?

What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...

Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

Why should above average be good enough to reach the highest league? There are 5 leagues, shouldn't you have to be in the top 20% to get to kyber?

Im pretty sure i answered your question...

Obviously I disagree.

You can disagree with what i said; but i certainly provided anecdotal evidence supporting why i think above average win loss rate with feats should be good enough to earn kyber, like it is in other divisions... And I'll add another point because higher gp makes it all the more difficult means a larger room for error should be acceptable.

Just my opinion but i did back up my opinion with reasons... Again you can disagree but i certainly answered your question before you even asked it.

The fact that there's a discrepancy between the divisions doesn't answer the question of which direction the discrepancy should be resolved. It may well be that it's too easy to get there in lower divisions rather than too hard in d1/2.

I'm not sure where you provided any evidence about anything, anecdotal or otherwise, in this thread. Are you referring to the statement "some people go freaking nuts on defense" as "anecdotal evidence"?

There's a huge difference between "need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears" and "above average win / loss ratio."
RevanReborn88
6 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-1997263" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997247" wrote:
"Kerrigan;c-1997245" wrote:
I have done every feat so far.
All of them, including the Arena runs? If you full clear and you do the feats, you're in kyber. That's how it's setup. If you pm me your allycode or something, I can show you my stats compared to yours.

You’re obviously not in div1 or 2 from that statement.

Max points per round in div 1/2 is
-720 for defence
- 720 for clearing zones
- 8x64 = 512 for perfect one man first time clears.
- 1000 for winning

Never mind that being impossible to achieve, that makes the max possible score in div 1/2 12x1952 = 35,434. The Kyber cutoff is more than that. This is not the case in any of the other divisions.

So any win that doesn’t involve a full clear, or needs a few second attempts, drops you further away from Kyber and more and more feats are needed.

I’ve lost 3 rounds out of 12. I’ll finish around 900 short of Kyber for division 1 when I do remaining feats. People can reach Kyber easily below div 1/2 if they lose 3 rounds.

You're forgetting the 1000 per win in that calculations. Which means if full cleared with max banners 12 times, only needs 1 win then.

Edit: nvm, you added that 12000 in without mentioning it
Hairygin
6 years ago
"Kerrigan;c-1997409" wrote:

Full clears + wins and no feats for d2 and d1 do NOT get you to kyber. (The math is earlier in the thread, clears + wins nets 35424, kyber at 35500). Feats are REQUIRED for d1 and d2 to get to kyber...

If you are doing full clears and scoring 64 on each battle (or 60), you are also getting feats by default and therefore Kyber in Div 1, 2, or 3.
Waquira
6 years ago
"Kerrigan;c-1997301" wrote:
Again... there are people in kyber in my guild that have won 7/11 so far and are already in kyber in their division. They can literally sit this round out and still make kyber.

Again:

"Waqui;c-1997297" wrote:

Yes, it's harder to reach Khyber in divisions 1 and 2. Only CG can answer why it's that way. However, part of the reason could be, that the rewards for league promotion is also greater in divisions 1 and 2.

Maybe CG just want newer accounts to have easier access to rewards, to help them through to the end game.

Again:

"Waqui;c-1997297" wrote:
You won only 9 / 12 rounds. There's nothing wrong with your aurodium league rank.

Loosing 3 rounds as an end game player should not reward you with promotion to Kyber league. Reaching Kyber league should be a sign of very good performance - not just above average performance.
nabokovfan87
6 years ago
"icanectc;c-1997299" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:
Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?

What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...

Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

Yep, people do. Because matchmaking isn't handled "fairly" to them and they don't want to even try. That doesn't nullify what I've said. I've never missed a Kyber.... That's what it takes. Full clear everything, nope, full clear nearly everything, yeah. Winning helps too.
nabokovfan87
6 years ago
"Waqui;c-1997522" wrote:
Loosing 3 rounds as an end game player should not reward you with promotion to Kyber league. Reaching Kyber league should be a sign of very good performance - not just above average performance.

Exactly. With relics, they need to add more divisions in the top end
Waquira
6 years ago
"nabokovfan;c-1997541" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1997522" wrote:
Loosing 3 rounds as an end game player should not reward you with promotion to Kyber league. Reaching Kyber league should be a sign of very good performance - not just above average performance.

Exactly. With relics, they need to add more divisions in the top end

With Relics? What's the connection here? Please explain.

Even if splitting the top divisions into 10 more, 3 losses should not reward you with a place in Khyber league. Yes, 9/12 wins is quite good, but nowhere near a top performance.
Mmmurash
6 years ago
CO (using math) says it's easier for lower divisions because of feats: they get same points for completing them while need less overall to get to Kyber. Hope it answers the question, tho not the "WHY is it designed that way?"