Why should getting into Kyber League (and getting the associated rewards, which are not being differentiated by division as we were originally told) be so much harder for division 1 and 2? If rewards are going to be the same across all divisions, points required to achieve each league should be the same across all divisions. Yes. That will mean that division 1 and 2 will achieve kyber league in MUCH greater percentages than other leagues due to innately getting more points due to setting more defenses and attacking more teams. That is fair though since they are managing more characters and teams. They SHOULD get better chances at the best set of rewards.I have more points than anyone in my guild by over 1400, but I am not in kyber league (going to miss it by 900, 1 win) while half a dozen people in lower leagues are in kyber league. In fact, there are people in kyber league with 6000 points less than me that are in kyber. That actually suggests ~4 rounds lost (since rank 1 d3 has 2000 points fewer than me and I'll assume that rank 1 person has not lost any rounds) and the ability to lose a 5th and still make kyber. I have only lost 2 rounds so far but it looks like I will lose this last round too for a total of 3 lost rounds which keeps me out of kyber. Those people in my guild in division 3 are going to get the best rewards while I have spent more time, and attacked more teams with less overall fail rates, and I am not in kyber league. Why?

"nabokovfan;c-1997244" wrote:Because you're winning battles, but you're not doing enough feats? What's your allycode?What is this college football.... You shouldn't need to go 100% with zero losses and full clears to be kyber that's crazy. If you have an above average win / loss ratio that should be enough with feats...Some people go freaking nuts on defense. That shouldn't penalize players because some butt head decided to set defenses that are absurd.

I just did the math for d3. Attack banners64*6 = 384Defense setting90*6 = 540Zone clears(180+150)*2 = 660Win1000Total 384 + 540 + 660 + 1000 = 258412*2464 = 31008Kyber for d3 is at 28500.Now if you go for 60 banner wins you get 360 instead of 384 putting you at 29280. Full clears with no feats in d3 gets you to kyber. Not only does that get you to kyber, but you can even lose 2 rounds and still get kyber easily without doing any feats.Full clears + wins and no feats for d2 and d1 do NOT get you to kyber. (The math is earlier in the thread, clears + wins nets 35424, kyber at 35500). Feats are REQUIRED for d1 and d2 to get to kyber...

I’m in Div 2 and just made Kyber. I’m going to be 10-2 (having lost this last match). I completed most but not all feats and still have 2 left to get (the arenas). Most players I play against go heavy on defense which is probably why most winning players are not making kyber.It’s tough to make it, but certainly not impossible. I do agree, however, that each division should be equivalent in making kyber.

"Corpus;c-1997420" wrote:"Kerrigan;c-1997409" wrote:Full clears + wins and no feats for d2 and d1 do NOT get you to kyber. (The math is earlier in the thread, clears + wins nets 35424, kyber at 35500). Feats are REQUIRED for d1 and d2 to get to kyber...If you are doing full clears and scoring 64 on each battle (or 60), you are also getting feats by default and therefore Kyber in Div 1, 2, or 3.and you get banned for cheating after that aswell ;)i mean it is obv that the higher your gp goes the lower the chances are you will end up in kyberin div 1 there are like 3 people out of the top 10 that are slightly above 5 m gpeveryone else is below 5 mits not hard to understand why no 6m gp whales end up in those top spotsand its not because they just throw money and have no idea how to play the gameso basically the high gp whales are getting a kick in the a s s for investing moneyonly fighting the same enemies over and over again where only mods make a difference because everyone has the teams maxed there are no lazy 63 points nest vs ewoks battles in that gp rangeso that combined with the way higher requirements for kyber compared to div 3 and below doesnt sound like the whole ranking system makes any senseand lets be honestgetting to kyber below div 2 isnt even something special

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HJoci26
6 years ago
"Waqui;c-1997547" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997541" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1997522" wrote:
Loosing 3 rounds as an end game player should not reward you with promotion to Kyber league. Reaching Kyber league should be a sign of very good performance - not just above average performance.

Exactly. With relics, they need to add more divisions in the top end

With Relics? What's the connection here? Please explain.

Even if splitting the top divisions into 10 more, 3 losses should not reward you with a place in Khyber league. Yes, 9/12 wins is quite good, but nowhere near a top performance.

Relics are boosting your top 80 characters gp significantly, there is the connection. You can get far stronger opponents because of them.
Waquira
6 years ago
"HJoci30;c-1997574" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1997547" wrote:
"nabokovfan;c-1997541" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1997522" wrote:
Loosing 3 rounds as an end game player should not reward you with promotion to Kyber league. Reaching Kyber league should be a sign of very good performance - not just above average performance.

Exactly. With relics, they need to add more divisions in the top end

With Relics? What's the connection here? Please explain.

Even if splitting the top divisions into 10 more, 3 losses should not reward you with a place in Khyber league. Yes, 9/12 wins is quite good, but nowhere near a top performance.

Relics are boosting your top 80 characters gp significantly, there is the connection. You can get far stronger opponents because of them.

They also boost the performance of your characters significantly, and it's the same for everyone within a division. I don't see how that should be a reason to split the top divisions into more.
Waquira
6 years ago
"Dmitry_M81;c-1997589" wrote:
Good idea is to push krakens/whales into their own 5kk+, 5,5kk+, 6kk+ divisions and never face them in foreseeable future

Why not let the big spenders have their advantage?

(Translated: What a horrible idea).
kato77
New Spectator
6 years ago
I agree that it shouldn’t be easier to reach Kyber in the lower divisions than in div 1-2. Rewards aside (none of them are spectacular) it is a prestigious goal to achieve and presumably the relative difficulty of reaching it should be the same for all players, since as your of roster gets better and stronger you also face more difficult opponents.
Mmmurash
6 years ago
"jhbuchholz;c-1997619" wrote:
"Dmitry_M81;c-1997589" wrote:
Good idea is to push krakens/whales into their own 5kk+, 5,5kk+, 6kk+ divisions and never face them in foreseeable future

At high enough GPs they are basically on their own divisions anyway. See: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/216569/same-opponents-every-ga

GP really has nothing to do with spending amount or GA strength. I'm much more worried when I get matched up against someone 500k GP below me (they've focused their roster) than someone 500k above me (hey, maybe we both have zMaul and zCody in our top 80!)

I'm not concerned over GP or rosters (now I see my idea is far from brilliant, lol) - mods quality what make the difference between krakens/whales and other players. Guess we'll never get rid of them as opponents :D
Mmmurash
6 years ago
"Waqui;c-1997617" wrote:
"Dmitry_M81;c-1997589" wrote:
Good idea is to push krakens/whales into their own 5kk+, 5,5kk+, 6kk+ divisions and never face them in foreseeable future

Why not let the big spenders have their advantage?

(Translated: What a horrible idea).

Why not to implement pure random match-ups then, totally blind draws within divisions?
Or 100% opposite idea: after first round 1st places play vs other 1st places, 2nd vs 2nd, etc.?
Tbh, I just don't like current match-making (tho it is relatevely fair one) cuz zetas add so much GP to top-80 toons and I have 95 applied :# and almost always face much stronger but focused opponents...
Keydash1
6 years ago
"Kerrigan;d-217614" wrote:

I have more points than anyone in my guild by over 1400, but I am not in kyber league (going to miss it by 900, 1 win) while half a dozen people in lower leagues are in kyber league.

As a higher division player, OP is placing at least 2 more defensive squads each match. (2)(90)(12) = 2,160. Sorry to say your kyber guild mates are just plain outperforming you, seeing as you get 2160 points simply for breathing that they can't access.

That said, yes it's harder to get kyber in Div 1 and 2. I think the main cause is not the point cutoff (although that contributes), but rather the spread of roster quality. In Div1/2 there are fewer junk rosters and therefore fewer easy matchups. The more one-shot full clears you get, the easier it is to make kyber - they are almost as important as wins.

By the way, if you complete all feats and full clear all matches, it still takes 9-3 or better to make Div 2 kyber. That's what I did this GA. 9-3, all clear (a couple in the 1850 range but most around 1900). The only feat I have left is the Mace fleet battle. With that feat, I'll be 150 points over the line, without it 50 points over the line.
nothingfac947
6 years ago
I think the devs just recognize that their aren't as many good players in d1 that deserve to reach kyber.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-1997840" wrote:
"Nothingface;c-1997808" wrote:
I think the devs just recognize that their aren't as many good players in d1 that deserve to reach kyber.

Really? And their response to that is to make it easier for d3 and below players to reach Kyber?

That sounds like something a d3+ whiner would say.

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Waquira
6 years ago
"Dmitry_M81;c-1997706" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1997617" wrote:
"Dmitry_M81;c-1997589" wrote:
Good idea is to push krakens/whales into their own 5kk+, 5,5kk+, 6kk+ divisions and never face them in foreseeable future

Why not let the big spenders have their advantage?

(Translated: What a horrible idea).

Tbh, I just don't like current match-making (tho it is relatevely fair one)

We agree on the bolded part. It's far more even than back before championships.

... cuz zetas add so much GP to top-80 toons and I have 95 applied :# and almost always face much stronger but focused opponents...

G13 on the other hand adds only little GP compared to the stat increase. Also, we've seen many discussions, where players with focused rosters and newer whales/krakens complained about being matched against broader rosters with more zetas.