New raid changes

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Apparently we disagree on the meaning of the new currency being "taken away" then.

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Actually it’s ambiguous. Technically the quote says the new currency will be available from the new raid, and not the legacy raids. But it doesn’t specify that it will only be available from whatever the newest raid is down the road. So wait and see.

"TVF;c-2405641" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Apparently we disagree on the meaning of the new currency being "taken away" then.

"nfidel2k;c-2405642" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Actually it’s ambiguous. Technically the quote says the new currency will be available from the new raid, and not the legacy raids. But it doesn’t specify that it will only be available from whatever the newest raid is down the road. So wait and see.

After re-reading, it does seem pretty clear. Once a new raid is released after Krayt, you will not longer be able to gain this new currency.

This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

It says you can only get it from the latest raid, so if you're doing Krayt, you get the currency. Once they release a new raid, if you can't do that one, you are no longer getting it.

"Nauros;c-2405645" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2405642" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Actually it’s ambiguous. Technically the quote says the new currency will be available from the new raid, and not the legacy raids. But it doesn’t specify that it will only be available from whatever the newest raid is down the road. So wait and see.

Not really, the wording is clear enough. It will be the Featured Raid, not raids going forward or something similar. You are really stretching the "wait and see" approach here.

LOL and you are complaining about a hypothetical situation that may or may not actually occur at a minimum of likely six to twelve months from now. Yes, one of us is stretching.

@Starson the text and the RA are referring to this set of releases. As I said, it is a bit ambiguous in how it is worded, but as there is no discussion of a Raid release schedule, future raids replacing these raids, etc. It’s a parenthetical expansion of thought. And since this would break from their existing pattern of keeping currency available in newer content and older content, my opinion is that it was poorly worded.

In your rush to claim the sky is falling, you’re also seemingly ignoring the fact that they said that when you factor in the personal + guild tracks, the sum of rewards will (could) actually be GREATER than the previous rewards.

Of course there will be a catch. It’ll probably be r10 mats and some new character gated behind the featured raid. We also don’t know the frequency of new raid releases but I doubt it’ll be more than one a year, maybe two max. But on topic of knowing CG, they’re not churning out new raids on a monthly basis. As long as they continue to include a mix of legacy and newer factions, I don’t see the issue. If they made it gated to ONLY the latest releases, that would be problematic/exclusionary for a large section of the player base.

But for guilds like mine that can’t complete the CPit or r8+ level TW rewards anyway, I doubt we’ll see much difference in the new system. Actually it seems a lot better overall for most players.

In retrospect, a lot of changes that people were convinced where the WORST EVER(tm), have been pretty good overall. So I’m still relatively optimistic about this change.

"nfidel2k;c-2405647" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405645" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2405642" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2405637" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405627" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2405624" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405623" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2405616" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405613" wrote:

Tell me, how long have you been playing this game? The factions will move, that's pretty much a given, but it ain't gonna be to something more people have. In fact, it will make long term planning harder - instead of a known set of factions to aim for, there will be constant flux and uncertainty.

I think it's safe to assume that any future raids will have one strong factions + stragglers. Krayt allows Hutt Cartel which lots of people have now thanks to Jabba - and many people have at least a couple of Hutt Cartel units thanks to other requirements.

With regard to constant flux and uncertainty, I would echo your own question - How long have you been playing this game? Keeping players off-balance is an established MO. They'll throw a variety of shiny new toons/factions out there and put us in a situation where we have to pick which to work on first. This is classic CG - it doesn't seem in any way different from how they've operated in the past. That's part of the challenge of the game.

The crucial difference is that up to now, the new goals stayed. You work towards the new TB to farm GET3 but once you get there, you have it. With the new Raid system, you work towards the Krayt dragon to get the new currency, but it gets taken away when a new raid comes out. And it seems that new raids will be added faster than before.

Where did it say the new raid currency is taken away when they switch to a newer raid?

In the RA.

Perhaps you can be more specific, because the only thing I see is this:

Rewards also include new Raid Currency that can be used to purchase items from Shipments.
This special Raid Currency can only be earned from the Featured Raid (the latest Raid released)

There's nothing that says they will create new raid currency for each new raid, nor do I expect them to. It's possible, but I think unlikely, and even if so, there's nothing there that supports your position that they said they're definitely doing so.

That quote literally says that the currency will only be earned from the latest raid. So it will be earned from Krayt now, but when a new one is released, it will move there. Not sure where you got anything about any new currency for each raid.

Actually it’s ambiguous. Technically the quote says the new currency will be available from the new raid, and not the legacy raids. But it doesn’t specify that it will only be available from whatever the newest raid is down the road. So wait and see.

Not really, the wording is clear enough. It will be the Featured Raid, not raids going forward or something similar. You are really stretching the "wait and see" approach here.

LOL and you are complaining about a hypothetical situation that may or may not actually occur at a minimum of likely six to twelve months from now. Yes, one of us is stretching.

@Starson the text and the RA are referring to this set of releases. As I said, it is a bit ambiguous in how it is worded, but as there is no discussion of a Raid release schedule, future raids replacing these raids, etc. It’s a parenthetical expansion of thought. And since this would break from their existing pattern of keeping currency available in newer content and older content, my opinion is that it was poorly worded.

It's not at all ambiguous, and while there is no release schedule for future raids, they explicitly told us they are planning on making more raids in the future. Normally I would be with you that CG is bad at communication and they don't always say things very clearly, this statement they made about the new raid currency was in no way ambiguous.

Would it be foolish of me to suggest that we wait until this project goes live before we decide how good or bad it is?

"Nauros;c-2405606" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2405597" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2405586" wrote:

"Tsfletch;c-2405461" wrote:
It seems obvious to me that they’re going to screw us over in the new raid system. If the worry/complaint is that multiple raids running simultaneously is overwhelming why not give the ability to sim all current raids the guild is finishing? Why remove Cpit entirely? Why even worry about “fixing” something that is voluntary in the first place? Guilds and players can do whatever raid schedule works for them, there’s no game mechanic forcing it. The whole idea is ridiculous but no one is noticing because they’re announcing a highly anticipated hero’s journey and 2 entirely new characters unrelated to said journey at the same time to distract people. That’s what, a year’s worth of updates normally all at once? Pardon my skepticism but it seems a little suspicious to me.

So much this. If turning the old raids into automated rewards dispensers worked so far, why overhaul the whole system? Unless, of course, there's some catch. I'm sure that they will make all they posted technically true, they have good practice with that, but I expect the reality to fall short of what we are getting now. At least for most non-whale guilds. Not to mention newer guilds getting srewed out of the new currency completely...

But that’s the game from the start. New stuff comes for those who already conquered the old stuff, and with new stuff new rewards. You’re motivated to gear new stuff so you can explore new content.

Yeah, and the new stuff usually stays there for others to reach it. Except for the raid currency, which will always move to the latest raid. Moving the goalposts is baked into the new system right from the start.

Re-reading this part of the RA, I see your point. I don’t master english enough to debate if it means that the raid money is for the new raids or the newest raid, even if I would be inclined to read it as you did. Still, the wait & see approach has its merits, as it all depends on the rewards bottom line.

"Jkane;c-2405656" wrote:
Would it be foolish of me to suggest that we wait until this project goes live before we decide how good or bad it is?

Unfortunately that's never been how this place works.

"Jkane;c-2405656" wrote:
Would it be foolish of me to suggest that we wait until this project goes live before we decide how good or bad it is?

You must be new :joy: