Nightsister Zombie Rework: Begone Paper, Hello Fat [MEGA]

"Chewy88;c-1653866" wrote:

"SinisterSandman;c-1653863" wrote:
These arguments are getting circular now, can we just agree to disagree for the moment and start at Speed 0 again?

Nope I have no interest in dropping this I will become the biggest ear worm for cg and ea until this is corrected and reversed

Only if they are rolled back to marquee status except Talia, & entirety of investments return to use on another faction. Including laborious shards for the entire team! I mean this is on them & there information that they gave us. Seriously

"yohann269;c-1653798" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653790" wrote:

"StuffedEwok;c-1653648" wrote:

"Deedlit;c-1653060" wrote:
They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..

Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.

Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.

the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.

Ha! That wasnt a year later. What the heck is wrlng with you? You like your hard work being torn from you? I took the advice of the administrators of the game, so now I play the game wrong? Why dont rework other toons? The simple fact is that Xombie is the key to 5 different Zetas that no longer are viable. So go eat crow & let us work this out if you dont want to help this portion of the community

My co-worker, who doesn’t even play this game had a suggestion. Go ahead and do your changes to zombie, but add a 2nd zombie to the game. Let’s call her zombie b. Make her mutually exclusive with zombie a. Zombie a is your fat zombie while zombie b is a rework of paper zombie. At G12, she has high damage and speed, but low health. Add her shards someplace easier to farm; not a single hard node.

"Pan2218;c-1653957" wrote:

"No_Try;c-1653868" wrote:

"cannonfodder_iv;c-1653837" wrote:
I think a lot of people complaining about P3 of HSTR are being a little bit disingenuous on the timeline here. The Paper Zombie nerf was announced back in July (they all but called it a nerf, clearly indicating she would be less useful in a lower geared state), but the "Death Storm" team was made popular in early to mid-August. Anyone complaining about gearing up NS for P3 only to be enraged by the change to the mechanic isn't being honest with themselves.

As for P4. Maybe we should wait and see a little bit. I personally think that the updates to her, including the multiple revives are going to turn NS into an unpleasant experience in PvP, as it's much more challenging to avoid starting the revive train. We shall see.

NS still seem like a quality faction for a lot of game modes, just might require a little more gear and a little more thought. There are not a lot of viable heroic tier toons at gear 10, she might be the first.

Are you aware that the p3 mechanic works with a fat zombie? Here's the display
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmOxdYaRZfw

Not everyone runs paper zombie. That doesn't change the fact that this sucks & is very drastic

I'm waiting to see how this impacts overall team efficacy on both p3&p4. I'm inclined to say (and did say) it's a nerf but not so sure anymore.

While I intend to keep my Nightsister zetas where they are...I know several people that zeta'd the Talzin leadership strictly for Heroic Sith phase 3, and they are very unhappy with the rework.

I've also seen a lot of people complaining about wanting Ventress zetas back as well.

Would it be unreasonable to just refund all Nightsister zetas? Due to the significant change to Zombie's kit, there may be players who don't want to play the new squad at all.

Yeah this change is no big deal oh by the way here's your Daka zeta refunded...whatever if this makeover was done by the same dev that "fixed" acolyte it's definitely horrible! What's the data showing on NA's effectiveness post critolyte?
How about you show us some of the beta tester videos so we can see for ourselves how much youre messing up p3 of the sith raid?

"Pan2218;c-1653961" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653798" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653790" wrote:

"StuffedEwok;c-1653648" wrote:

"Deedlit;c-1653060" wrote:
They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..

Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.

Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.

the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.

Ha! That wasnt a year later. What the heck is wrlng with you? You like your hard work being torn from you? I took the advice of the administrators of the game, so now I play the game wrong? Why dont rework other toons? The simple fact is that Xombie is the key to 5 different Zetas that no longer are viable. So go eat crow & let us work this out if you dont want to help this portion of the community

nothing is going to change, all your complaining is not going to fix anything. Are you going to apologize when the updated abilities actually work well, once people figure them out? People have been doing just fine in STR since the Acolyte "nerf" All I have been suggesting the whole time is you need to give the changes a chance. You might be surprised with the results.

"yohann269;c-1653981" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653961" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653798" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653790" wrote:

"StuffedEwok;c-1653648" wrote:

"Deedlit;c-1653060" wrote:
They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..

Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.

Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.

the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.

Ha! That wasnt a year later. What the heck is wrlng with you? You like your hard work being torn from you? I took the advice of the administrators of the game, so now I play the game wrong? Why dont rework other toons? The simple fact is that Xombie is the key to 5 different Zetas that no longer are viable. So go eat crow & let us work this out if you dont want to help this portion of the community

nothing is going to change, all your complaining is not going to fix anything. Are you going to apologize when the updated abilities actually work well, once people figure them out? People have been doing just fine in STR since the Acolyte "nerf" All I have been suggesting the whole time is you need to give the changes a chance. You might be surprised with the results.

Things do change when we make our voices heard. Acolyte was a loop zombie in any for was never and is never going to be a loop. That’s why these changes aren’t appreciated or welcomed. It is destroying an investment a lot in the community made and the devs are not respecting that investment.

@CG_TopHat is it possible for me to get a refund on all my NS gear and zetas? Talzin, Asajj, and Daka? I'd rather have the zetas to use elsewhere and wouldn't have upgraded them knowing this. That way I can make an "informed decision". I think that's only fair

"Chewy88;c-1653986" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653981" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653961" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653798" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-1653790" wrote:

"StuffedEwok;c-1653648" wrote:

"Deedlit;c-1653060" wrote:
They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..

Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.

Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.

the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.

Ha! That wasnt a year later. What the heck is wrlng with you? You like your hard work being torn from you? I took the advice of the administrators of the game, so now I play the game wrong? Why dont rework other toons? The simple fact is that Xombie is the key to 5 different Zetas that no longer are viable. So go eat crow & let us work this out if you dont want to help this portion of the community

nothing is going to change, all your complaining is not going to fix anything. Are you going to apologize when the updated abilities actually work well, once people figure them out? People have been doing just fine in STR since the Acolyte "nerf" All I have been suggesting the whole time is you need to give the changes a chance. You might be surprised with the results.

Things do change when we make our voices heard. Acolyte was a loop zombie in any for was never and is never going to be a loop. That’s why these changes aren’t appreciated or welcomed. It is destroying an investment a lot in the community made and the devs are not respecting that investment.

It's not destroying an investment. and I think the time they spent trying to fix paper zombie shows they respect the investment. And everyone seems to forget that there are a lot of other game modes beyond STR