I don't know if anyone from CG will read my comment, or even address to my questions, but I just need to spill my guts here.I won't judge if Datacrons are good or bad (let's wait and see).I just really would like to know, officially if there's the possibility of that, WHY CG has dismissed all the problems that the community has been telling them. Like, gear crunch, their "lack of memory" in implementing State of Gear phases II (and even complete phase I). More ships and so.Datacrons MIGHT be good, but THAT'S not the point. The point is WHY CG isn't listening to the community that made the game HUGE.Is it a lack of vision? Business vision? Cause this isn't a logical path for a business. You make people idolize your product by given them what they want, and them adding "speed" to get it, and so they spend money, willinly, because all emotions towards the game is good.CG is doing exactly the opposite. Road ahead was a joke. It's a tiny Road Ahead (only 2 things, and GI isn't exactly news). A lot of words? Yeah, just explaining ONE thing.There's a lack of respect for the fans of the game here. It may be unintentional, I won't point fingers like that. But a fact is a fact.So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?

Ask yourself one question, does it make money? If yes, it will come to the game, if no, then the chances drop significantly.

But those things would bring more money. And in a better way, long term. It would make players happy, and being happy is one factor directly associated to spending money.

Maybe I ve got lost into translation then. There's a difference between having a line of thought for a complain, and complaining just because someone didn't like a thing.I understand "rant" as the later (again, English is not my native language, therefore I might have gotten lost here)

"Nox_Eternal666;d-256763" wrote:So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?I've played 5 or 6 games like this. Every single one of them, the F2P community is largely filled with players who are confident that if only the company would give away more stuff for free, everyone would be so happy and satisfied that they would willingly open their wallets and profits of extraordinary volumes would spill out.I've also worked for large corporations. And I know they collect eye-boggling amounts of metrics to pinpoint exactly where they are making money and where they aren't and how they can make more money. I have never worked for EA, but I would bet my life that there are people at EA who assess how games can make more money. People with access to tons of player data. When does spending go up? When does it go down? What makes a formerly F2P start spending? Etc.If CG followed through on the gear changes and cancelled datacrons, would they make more money? You think they would. But clearly, the people at EA whose job it is to make that decision and who have GBs worth of data on player spending, think otherwise. Who is right? The world will never know.

"DMG_SW;c-2366822" wrote:"Nox_Eternal666;d-256763" wrote:So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?I've played 5 or 6 games like this. Every single one of them, the F2P community is largely filled with players who are confident that if only the company would give away more stuff for free, everyone would be so happy and satisfied that they would willingly open their wallets and profits of extraordinary volumes would spill out.I've also worked for large corporations. And I know they collect eye-boggling amounts of metrics to pinpoint exactly where they are making money and where they aren't and how they can make more money. I have never worked for EA, but I would bet my life that there are people at EA who assess how games can make more money. People with access to tons of player data. When does spending go up? When does it go down? What makes a formerly F2P start spending? Etc.If CG followed through on the gear changes and cancelled datacrons, would they make more money? You think they would. But clearly, the people at EA whose job it is to make that decision and who have GBs worth of data on player spending, think otherwise. Who is right? The world will never know.I have often thought this EXACT thing. EA/CG are a billion dollar gaming company managing (however poorly some of us might think) a billion dollar game. They are obviously doing something right (even if some of us don't think so) to keep this game on for almost 7 years. Yes, of course, we love our SW IP; no doubt that if this was another less influential IP, this game probably wouldn't be doing as well.The part where I tend to agree with the OP ( and with @Ravens1113 ) is that they have already promised some of the things that they are withholding.Other than that, I completely agree with you. I know they have data...I just sometimes wish they'd put away their targeting computer and "use the force."

No rants, it is just about understanding

LordDirt
New Traveler
3 years ago
Ask yourself one question, does it make money? If yes, it will come to the game, if no, then the chances drop significantly.
rodwinter78
New Spectator
3 years ago
But those things would bring more money. And in a better way, long term. It would make players happy, and being happy is one factor directly associated to spending money.
rodwinter78
New Spectator
3 years ago
Maybe I ve got lost into translation then.
There's a difference between having a line of thought for a complain, and complaining just because someone didn't like a thing.

I understand "rant" as the later (again, English is not my native language, therefore I might have gotten lost here)
dmgutie
3 years ago
"Nox_Eternal666;d-256763" wrote:

So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?

I've played 5 or 6 games like this. Every single one of them, the F2P community is largely filled with players who are confident that if only the company would give away more stuff for free, everyone would be so happy and satisfied that they would willingly open their wallets and profits of extraordinary volumes would spill out.

I've also worked for large corporations. And I know they collect eye-boggling amounts of metrics to pinpoint exactly where they are making money and where they aren't and how they can make more money. I have never worked for EA, but I would bet my life that there are people at EA who assess how games can make more money. People with access to tons of player data. When does spending go up? When does it go down? What makes a formerly F2P start spending? Etc.

If CG followed through on the gear changes and cancelled datacrons, would they make more money? You think they would. But clearly, the people at EA whose job it is to make that decision and who have GBs worth of data on player spending, think otherwise. Who is right? The world will never know.
frieste33
New Spectator
3 years ago
"DMG_SW;c-2366822" wrote:
"Nox_Eternal666;d-256763" wrote:

So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?

I've played 5 or 6 games like this. Every single one of them, the F2P community is largely filled with players who are confident that if only the company would give away more stuff for free, everyone would be so happy and satisfied that they would willingly open their wallets and profits of extraordinary volumes would spill out.

I've also worked for large corporations. And I know they collect eye-boggling amounts of metrics to pinpoint exactly where they are making money and where they aren't and how they can make more money. I have never worked for EA, but I would bet my life that there are people at EA who assess how games can make more money. People with access to tons of player data. When does spending go up? When does it go down? What makes a formerly F2P start spending? Etc.

If CG followed through on the gear changes and cancelled datacrons, would they make more money? You think they would. But clearly, the people at EA whose job it is to make that decision and who have GBs worth of data on player spending, think otherwise. Who is right? The world will never know.

I have often thought this EXACT thing. EA/CG are a billion dollar gaming company managing (however poorly some of us might think) a billion dollar game. They are obviously doing something right (even if some of us don't think so) to keep this game on for almost 7 years. Yes, of course, we love our SW IP; no doubt that if this was another less influential IP, this game probably wouldn't be doing as well.

The part where I tend to agree with the OP ( and with @Ravens1113 ) is that they have already promised some of the things that they are withholding.

Other than that, I completely agree with you. I know they have data...I just sometimes wish they'd put away their targeting computer and "use the force."
averschevet
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
Add to that the issue where random people can get access to your account and delete it with no way of getting anything back, and that CG is constantly trying to sweep under the rug...
dmgutie
3 years ago
"el_mago;c-2366867" wrote:

The part where I tend to agree with the OP ( and with @Ravens1113 ) is that they have already promised some of the things that they are withholding.

I never disagreed with that. It's a fact. It's also a fact that despite them completely ignoring their stated plan and going completely radio silent, people keep playing. And paying. The reality is that the vast majority of the revenue in this game likely comes from people who don't care about phase 2 of the gear crunch. And the vast majority of people who do care about phase 2 apparently don't care enough to do anything about the lack of communication.

Humans will finish terraforming Mars, and Ravens will be on here swearing that if CG doesn't say something about phase 2 then he's totally gonna think about looking into considering the possibility of potentially not playing. For a few days.
perfidius44
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
"PumaK;c-2366844" wrote:
"DMG_SW;c-2366822" wrote:
"Nox_Eternal666;d-256763" wrote:

So, WHY isn't CG listening to the community? Why are you not doing a GOOD business strategy and makes us HAPPY to spend money in the game?

I've played 5 or 6 games like this. Every single one of them, the F2P community is largely filled with players who are confident that if only the company would give away more stuff for free, everyone would be so happy and satisfied that they would willingly open their wallets and profits of extraordinary volumes would spill out.

I've also worked for large corporations. And I know they collect eye-boggling amounts of metrics to pinpoint exactly where they are making money and where they aren't and how they can make more money. I have never worked for EA, but I would bet my life that there are people at EA who assess how games can make more money. People with access to tons of player data. When does spending go up? When does it go down? What makes a formerly F2P start spending? Etc.

If CG followed through on the gear changes and cancelled datacrons, would they make more money? You think they would. But clearly, the people at EA whose job it is to make that decision and who have GBs worth of data on player spending, think otherwise. Who is right? The world will never know.

Take this at a single example. If you go to eat on a restaurant and receive a bad service, end to be ignored and frustrated, and what you order is wrong, etc etc. Obviously you pay for what you eat, but how Much chances can you say you're going again to the same restaurant to eat and spend your money??

Rule of Acquisition 324: ‘Your customer is a prince but data is your King.’
dmgutie
3 years ago
"Ravens1113;c-2366886" wrote:

Or they could deliver on the gear changes, make QoL improvements and release datacrons to make tons of cash? Just a thought

They'll make the same amount of cash (and it will cost them less) if they ignore the first two things. Just a thought.

I'm not defending it. I'm just capable of observing reality.
BeachBronco
3 years ago
This is the same company that put out the Hyperdrive bundle which was targeted at teen boys willing to steal their parents credit card and hopefully ask for forgiveness afterwards. Do you really think they give two cents about the average Joe? No they are constantly looking for the next quick cash infusion. Their engineers will probably go in Twitter lamenting about capitalism while fleecing a 17 year old to steal his dad's credit card