The fact that people that can wait and wait and wait to see what score the other person puts up before they attack is such a HUGE advantage. GAC ends at 4pm my time so I'm at work the last 9 hours of GAC so I'm always at a disadvantage. Why are the scores shown to allow this to happen? It just seems lousy game making to allow it. Please hide them til the round is over or both players have full cleared.

Or just post up the best score you can. Either it will win or it won’t.

"Waqui;c-2152017" wrote:How exactly is it an advantage? It's an advantage to know what score you need to win, obviously.You can debate how much of an advantage, and in some cases it's none (when an opponent scores very high), but it's obviously an advantage with everything else being equal.

"Waqui;c-2152043" wrote:"TVF;c-2152025" wrote:"Waqui;c-2152017" wrote:How exactly is it an advantage? It's an advantage to know what score you need to win, obviously.You can debate how much of an advantage, and in some cases it's none (when an opponent scores very high), but it's obviously an advantage with everything else being equal.And it helps you score more than you could without knowing the score beforehand? How exactly?Because you don't have to take risks if the score is lower?

You also know the average amount of banners you need to earn per battle, so you also know when to undersize or not, and how careful you need to be. And if you are going below average for all the character battles, you know the amount of banners you need in ships to win.

It absolutely is an advantage to have your opponent go first and know how they performed. For all of the reasons outlined above.Heck, on my last GAC, I had a GL-less opponent, so I took the opportunity to practice using some counters I don't usually even try. And accomplished a feat I normally writhe have ignored.

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GifafiTho
5 years ago
lazy is as lazy doesn't
RSithLord
5 years ago
"Legend91;c-2152894" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2152847" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2152842" wrote:
"TVF;c-2152797" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-2152694" wrote:
Oh noes I went first so I will surely lose!!! :o

Did someone say you can't win if you go first?

That's not the point, and I know you know it's not the point.

Congrats on the win though.

It's not like 2476 is an unbeatable score with what I see there on defense. Malak/Nest solo vs Shaak, JKR+GMY duo vs KRU, SLKR solo vs GG, Nest solo vs Palp (depending on potency vs tenacity)..but 2476 is a good score non the less.
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On topic:
Going second is a significant advantage and I'm tired of this discussion. All relevant information (banners scored, number of battles and zones cleared) should be hidden but since CG is too lazy for everything or just doesn't care this won't happen.

Or the significance of this advantage is exaggerated and calling them lazy is just a lazy argument.

On the first part: That's probably why the majority of those high lifetime banner people (where it's safe to assume they get to Kyber every season and many of them having Kyber Contender titles) are desperately trying to attack second with some of those "standoffs" going so far that the first attacks are happening at the last 30 min of the match.

I'd like to see some proof of this.
Nikoms565
5 years ago
"Rath_Tarr;c-2153314" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;c-2153228" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2152955" wrote:
posted this to the devs and got a response that when they originally looked into this the data didn't show any significant difference in the win ratio due to attacking first or second.

Yeah, I’m going to need more info there before believing their data. Did they eliminate battles where there was a large score difference? Did they even eliminate battles where no one attacked at all?

This advantage only occurs in closely contested matchups. If you aren’t zeroing in on those then you are getting a lot of extra noise that can skew the data.

And if you are going to narrow your focus like that you also need to consider what percentage of matches are closely contested in order to put that information in perspective.

But I thought the wonderful matchmaking algorithm all but guaranteed closely contested matches. Pick a lane.
Waquira
5 years ago
How exactly is it an advantage?
heiligenborre
5 years ago
First player can pick to try a battle with Krennic and DT for lousy banners (or a loss) and risk the battle.

Second player knows for sure he can or cannot afford to lose banners and do the feat.
Waquira
5 years ago
"TVF;c-2152025" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2152017" wrote:
How exactly is it an advantage?

It's an advantage to know what score you need to win, obviously.

You can debate how much of an advantage, and in some cases it's none (when an opponent scores very high), but it's obviously an advantage with everything else being equal.

And it helps you score more than you could without knowing the score beforehand? How exactly?
Waquira
5 years ago
"TVF;c-2152044" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2152043" wrote:
"TVF;c-2152025" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2152017" wrote:
How exactly is it an advantage?

It's an advantage to know what score you need to win, obviously.

You can debate how much of an advantage, and in some cases it's none (when an opponent scores very high), but it's obviously an advantage with everything else being equal.

And it helps you score more than you could without knowing the score beforehand? How exactly?

Because you don't have to take risks if the score is lower?

OK, so if your opponent scored low banners you can play your offense with less stress and have an easy win. We agree on this. However, you didn't answer my question:

"Waqui;c-2152043" wrote:

And it helps you score more than you could without knowing the score beforehand? How exactly?
Waquira
5 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2152141" wrote:
TVF didn’t say it helped you score more than you could.

I know. But his reply to my question didn't answer the question. I'm sure he must have had a point with his reply (he always does with his posts) but it made no sense as a reply to my question.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2152141" wrote:

Scoring your highest possible score involves risk, and the advantage that going last provides - if it ever does provide an advantage - is knowing how much risk you need to or don’t need to take.

So, you agree knowing your opponent's score doesn't actually help you score higher than you max possible without knowing the score?
tvsfrink
5 years ago
Waqui this has been answered satisfactorily every time you've asked in the past.

Have a nice Tuesday.
Waquira
5 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2152149" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2152147" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2152141" wrote:
TVF didn’t say it helped you score more than you could.

I know. But his reply to my question didn't answer the question. I'm sure he must have had a point with his reply (he always does with his posts) but it made no sense as a reply to my question.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2152141" wrote:

Scoring your highest possible score involves risk, and the advantage that going last provides - if it ever does provide an advantage - is knowing how much risk you need to or don’t need to take.

So, you agree knowing your opponent's score doesn't actually help you score higher than you max possible without knowing the score?

See my follow up post.

Looks like we agree then :-). Knowing your opponent's score doesn't help you win the round but it could help you to a less stressfull offense, where you can slack, maybe do feats (for less banners) and still win the round.