Release Cadence

"Liath;c-1320168" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1320161" wrote:
But still farmable, and for those who are farming single HN toons, the timeline of the farm is probably going to work out to about the same. If you notice they have left the door open to have the events more often then once a month, just not longer.

A hard node farm from one node took less than a year at 3 tries per day. If they keep the 5 tries per day it's more like 7 months.

Over 2 years for Talzin/Wicket does not work out to about the same.

if they keep it at the bare minimum, but as they have left it open to be more then once a month, there is a chance they will work it out to be around the same timeline as a HN farm.

There is a post about the general timeline for the flash events rewards to work out to the same length of time as a farm, i would think they will do that here. I could be wrong but i don't think they will drive the farm out for 2 years.

On one hand, premium characters need a long farm. F2p has caught up and there was no incentive to spend.

On the other hand, 2 years is a crazy long time to can. I don't think it'll be that long.

"Kyno;c-1320173" wrote:

if they keep it at the bare minimum, but as they have left it open to be more then once a month, there is a chance they will work it out to be around the same timeline as a HN farm.

There is a post about the general timeline for the flash events rewards to work out to the same length of time as a farm, i would think they will do that here. I could be wrong but i don't think they will drive the farm out for 2 years.

The big issue is that the slowest farm in the game is a character with a single hard mode node, without spending anything we can farm 11 to 12 shards a week on average and with these new events the Devs are going to let us have 10 shards a month. Lets say they moved it to twice a month to get anything close to the rate from a hard node we would have to be buying two refreshes at 780 crystals a time. So on one hand we can get close to 50 shards for free while they would have us pay 1560 crystals a month for 40 shards.
I think it would be good to hear from the Devs just how long they are planning for it to take us to reach 7* using their new event format, they must have done some sort of modeling of it. They have waved a carrot of free zetas as the Tier 2 reward yet they seemed to have placed it so far away that many players are wondering if they should even bother to try since they don't know if they will even still be playing in two years time. And while some will say the characters are fine without 7* its an argument that ignores the fact that all of the endgame content the devs have building has had a 7* requirement, you need it for Heroic Raids, you need it in TB, and you need it for G12.
Its an important conversation to have since this is their second character to use the event format so we can probably expect to see more characters appear this way. Even if they were to be restricted to appearing in the TB store at the same shard cost as other characters it would be enough to take the edge of what is looking to be a brutal farm.

MT and wicket are outside the normal cadence and that's fine.

It's a return to the old style- 2 to 3 vaults if you want them 7 star.
Less if you want them 5 or 6 star.
Longer if f2p. Even if it's twice a month (which it won't be), that's over a year which is longer than a hard node farm (when you take into account bronziums etc.).

The problem with these two is 7 star unlocks Zeta. An average of 8 per month for those who have both at 7 star. That's 96 extra Zeta a year. Good luck trying to compete with those guys. F2p and those that spend smaller amounts won't ever catch up.

"Kyno;c-1320110" wrote:

"Nack_Alfaghn;d-140383" wrote:
What's the deal with the character release cadence?

We have Wicket and MT as Marquee events that have an altertion so that they don't follow the normal release cadence. We also have Zombie and Spirit who are not marquee events so do not follow the release cadence.

What is the point of having a release cadence if it's not going to be followed?

Also they said Wicket and MT would farm at a similar rate to a Hard node farm which by my maths would make them a weekly event, as getting around 10 shards a week from a single hard node would be slightly below average.

The spirit of the release cadence was to have a toon released and follow some schedule to become farmable. Previously toons could be released and no one would know anything until the end of some seemingly random time period they would get placed and we could have access.

Yes the new toons are not following the same direct path but they are following the spirit if the cadence and are all becoming farmable. This is a new type of release that allows players to have more repeatable playable content.

If anyone remembers, this was the case with countless characters like Princess Leia and Tarkin. They sat as premium toons for months and months without us receiving any word about them being made farmable before finally being thrown into arena shipments last year without advance notice.

If they were being nice they would make new toons easily farmable by walking them into cantina or a store.

This is EA and CG. Do you think they are going to do that?

After long wait for ewok that are useless everywhere besides platoons now (I really wanted to use those guys) I just don't care anymore about this.

Way too many toons on hard nodes to choose from now. So what 7 months for one? How many are still working just on baze since he was released, I am one since too many panic farms and hard nodes to farm.

Not easy to continue in this game when you start looking at the time it takes to get ONE toon and gear ONE toon, then you see you have 30 plus more characters that need to be leveled and geared.

And no I do not want to play PS. They are annoying and takes way too long to fight a battle with them. Let us play with the toons we enjoy, too many leaving game lately because of this. I don't play games like Battlefront 2 to play as toons I dislike and are no fun to use. I play because I love SW and want to use characters I have grown up with.

The spirit of the cadence (I thought) was
$ to farm --> Crystals to Farm --> hard to farm (ex. shard shop, takes lots of time, lots of free resources) --> easy to farm (in both time/resources)

That sounded pretty good and fed lots of business AND fan concerns.
It has not been realized (ex. Baze, DN never got to that last step). When tons of panic farming, premium toons (great if you have all the stuff to get the 7star on out of the bag, crushing when you don't), and (arguably) less popular/useful factions are being pushed, it is hard to find a satisfying answer to "Is there a way to keep up with the meta, TB, GW, all the toon releases while still feeding the fan in me who wants to farm my favorites?"

Answering that in the affirmative is not so hard when it takes a month to farm your "favorite" toon to 7 star (after waiting for them to get to the "easy to farm" stage), but really is rather difficult when your "favorite" gets stuck on a single hard node (or event that comes back 1.5 times per month, for example).

I see everyone mentioning that they would only be able to farm only 10 shards a month for Talzin and Wicket. Has anyone for a second thought that maybe, just maybe, the event won't be just a single day? Just like this first occurence of the Talzin event, which ran for 2 days if I'm not mistaken. Which means 20 shards a month. Which, in the case of the reader being bad bad at math, cuts the farming time in half.

"TheChampionBum;c-1320898" wrote:
I see everyone mentioning that they would only be able to farm only 10 shards a month for Talzin and Wicket. Has anyone for a second thought that maybe, just maybe, the event won't be just a single day? Just like this first occurence of the Talzin event, which ran for 2 days if I'm not mistaken. Which means 20 shards a month. Which, in the case of the reader being bad bad at math, cuts the farming time in half.

From https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/140318/wicket-mother-talzin-nightsister-spirit-and-nightsister-zombie-going-forward#latest

The initial Defense of Dathomir event is for two days, but the future monthly events are currently planned to only run a single day. As always, we may change the duration in the future.