Ships is ruining GAC

"Whaleathon;c-2345292" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2345278" wrote:

"Whaleathon;c-2345261" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2345206" wrote:

"Whaleathon;c-2345191" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-2345066" wrote:
These are the 4 counters I use

• Mal + TFP counter first strike 90% win rate
  
• Neg + Vader counter first strike 50-66% win rate
  
• Rebels — mine are Relic including Bistan = usually two shot with Raddus or Finalizer
  
• First Order — we shall see depending on nerf, buff or no nerf.
  

I usually put Executor on defence + Empire/Negotiator, precisely because there are several ways to clear an enemy Executor. How do you manage in TW? I’m usually killing 2 to 3 enemy Executor with my own in defence.

I put executor on defense. I never expect a one shot and when I use malevolence it’s complete rng to win. The only skill is to know what to do when executor makes certain decisions. For example if it goes after TFP and kills him first with aoe you lose. If it kills hyena bomber before first reinforcement your dead. When bringing spy out 70% of the time his all out assist gets dodged and if it does you may very well lose your chance to kill whatever ship it was. If you lose with MAL without killing anyone which most do you have like a 10% chance of killing it with anything else. I understand it’s a difficult ship and that’s fine whatever. But don’t start putting out ships at this difficulty if we only have 1-2 other ships that have a very very slight chance of beating it.

You could try keeping Exec for offence? If you’re failing 90% of the time to beat Exec without your own, you should change your strategy.

Well then I will lose because of banners. Executors battles are not straightforward and although I will win it I lose a lot of banners and they won’t. And because they one shot the rest of my defense I lose because of banners. Like today I one shot their whole defense and took me 3 tries on their executor and 2 on their Nego. Literally anything I do on character battles didn’t even matter. GAC all comes down to ships. You can sweat and bleed during character battles but none of it matters until you get to ships. My opponent dropped a battle on my LV but didn’t matter because of what happened on ships. If they want ships to be dominate so bad then just make a GAC only for ships. My alt dropped some character battles and my opponent 1 shot all of mine. However because he could not clear executor he lost. Literally one ship has been the cause of why I lose GAC and why my opponents sometimes lose GAC. It should not come down to just one ship every single time there is literally no fun in that.

Why would you lose because of banners?

You’re not making any sense. If your opponent dropped on your LV but you had kept your better ships for offence, how would you lose on banners?

Because executor vs executor does not give out good banners. I come out with just one ship left sometimes. And now that my ships on defense are much easier to beat he could just underman it and still win. Believe me it’s happened before when I brought executor on offense.

You should practice more mirror in arena. I never even bother upgrading my executor to 7 stars, as my 6 stars can either defend well for me or I can use it in offense for high banners. If my opponent’s executor is modded for me to one shot easily, I sometime save my 6 stars for offense, but usually I just set it on defense as Malevolence can either one shot executor or get to a state where rebels or resistance can easily cleanup.

I'm noticing a pattern where my opponents now clear all the character zones and then stop without attacking ships. Most likely waiting to see if they have the option to 2-shot Executor or not. The advantage of going "second", I suppose.

TFs only job is to get 1 dodge, which it does even if it dies on their first turn. Occasionally he even survives (10% maybe) and flukes another dodge (very rare) but just being there to take one more hit is a bonus. Is your TF not going first?

I find them going straight for TF is the best start. If they go for the vulture they kill it, and the TM gain is wasted, because mal is already at 100% from TF dodge. If the vulture is killed second then mal gets to its next turn faster, which is what the fleet is all about.

If they target Hyena with the first mass assist it seems to be a loss for sure. Just try to get any one enemy down at that point.

And why aren't you bringing in Ebon hawk as second reinforce to stop the target lock count? Is this not the normal way? Even with g8 pilots it does this job.

The notion that we don't have enough capital ships is goofy AF.

"Rius;c-2345412" wrote:
The problem with a lot of these threads bashing GAC at the moment is assuming something is ‘ruining GAC’ because it requires skill to take out. You are not losing because of fleets but because you currently lack the skill to consistently overcome this particular fleet. I don’t think everyone’s used to needing strategy and are used to over levelling and trampling people. As the most powerful fleet even a counter using the same fleet will need strategy to overcome.

I underdog all the time so I have had to focus on people’s weaknesses and fleets is a massive weakness for a lot of players. And is a worthy investment. And a valid part of the game. To cut it out because some have not seen success with it seems unnecessarily reductive.

And investment includes learning kill orders and counters. When you get stuck on something, invest in your counter, if you still struggle there are loads of resources people share showing how it’s done. These players break down everything including what the AI usually do, comment on good and bad RNG and how much to level up to minimise the effect of bad RNG as much as possible.

Remember all the people back in like 2016/17/18 that would say "Ships suck/I hate them/I only enter a fleet battle once a day and retreat immediately for dailies"? I'd bet anything those are the same people today whining about Executor, and/or ships in general being in GAC (and if they're newer players whining, they would have been in that same crowd back in the day). They neglected it too long, not only underdeveloping that part of their roster but also not building up the same knowledge base of experience as the rest of us. So now they suck at recognizing threats, knowing how kits interact, understanding optimal kill order/ability selection, etc. Congratulations guys, you played yourselves. And rather than buckling down and working on improving this gaping hole in their ability, a large chunk of them just gripe and whine and say these things should just be removed altogether because they personally suck at them.

To any of the ship haters reading this: you've had almost 4 months of GAC now to learn if this is a weakness of yours. Longer than that if we're specifically talking about struggles with Executor counters. If it's not something you're good at and has caused many/most of your losses, there's not really an excuse any more to not be working on it. "Git gud" may seem too rude and dismissive to you, but at this point it's really the only response left that's going to help you. You need to buckle down, learn some of these counters, and get a bunch of practice with them.

"E3P0;c-2345908" wrote:

Remember all the people back in like 2016/17/18 that would say "Ships suck/I hate them/I only enter a fleet battle once a day and retreat immediately for dailies"? I'd bet anything those are the same people today whining about Executor, and/or ships in general being in GAC.

Man, I eventually switched guilds because my original one was filled with so many of these players. I think most of them quit when they realized that people who actually played fleets had way more zeta mats than they did, and thus were crushing them in both fleet and arena.

Also: "farming ships is impossible!" "just use your GW mats" "GW is boring, I don't play it"

"Whaleathon;d-254569" wrote:
I know that if I mess up on ships most likely I lose and I mess up on ships 90% of the time. Executor has become one of the worst things to happen to this game. Yes we need ships but we currently don’t have enough capital ships or ships to deal with a ship that is basically a GL. You have like 2-3 tries and that’s it. As far as character GLs we have more to work with because we have more characters. It’s so stupid that I’m literally losing by chance instead of lack of planning, mods, or skill. This game is not fun anymore.

Do you put your Executor on defense?

"Shadowscream;c-2345066" wrote:
These are the 4 counters I use

• Mal + TFP counter first strike 90% win rate
  
• Neg + Vader counter first strike 50-66% win rate
  
• Rebels — mine are Relic including Bistan = usually two shot with Raddus or Finalizer
  
• First Order — we shall see depending on nerf, buff or no nerf.
  

I usually put Executor on defence + Empire/Negotiator, precisely because there are several ways to clear an enemy Executor. How do you manage in TW? I’m usually killing 2 to 3 enemy Executor with my own in defence.

I put executor on defense. I never expect a one shot and when I use malevolence it’s complete rng to win. The only skill is to know what to do when executor makes certain decisions. For example if it goes after TFP and kills him first with aoe you lose. If it kills hyena bomber before first reinforcement your dead. When bringing spy out 70% of the time his all out assist gets dodged and if it does you may very well lose your chance to kill whatever ship it was. If you lose with MAL without killing anyone which most do you have like a 10% chance of killing it with anything else. I understand it’s a difficult ship and that’s fine whatever. But don’t start putting out ships at this difficulty if we only have 1-2 other ships that have a very very slight chance of beating it.

I’d love a break from ships in GAC!!!! Why not a GAC season with just toons? Would that be so bad? I have Executor at 5 stars and can one shot 7 star Executor’s with a lot of help from RNGESUS. If that fails I usually clean up with Chimaera and hack it out till I can get the ultimate and nuke HT. Occasionally I need a 3rd try with Seps.

I would love it if they removed fleets from GAC. That being said, I know they won’t.