So originally, speed got so out of control, that damage would insta-gib a team before they had an opportunity to respond (Hi Rey!). People were upset as the fight was over before they even got to play. So we made Protection. That was to protect against getting blown up w/o a chance to respond. Awesome.Then we made mods, and we put speed on them. Then we made the speed mods really rare. Meanwhile we made more and more assist combo's in game that can insta-gib through protection to where you're right back to your original problem. People just cycle the speed mods they saved up from their first comp and assign it to the new comp, due to the rarity, and this in turn just makes Arena a match of who has had the most RNG luck w/ speed mods.This seems like from a design standpoint, you're identifying a problem, fixing it, and then making decisions to re-make the exact same thing a problem again. Arena should have like field modifiers or something to destabilize the speed emphasis. An enemy debuff like Grievous perhaps that inverses speed. The faster a toon is, the slower they perform and visa versa.Currently, it's just kind of dull when you know who will win based off of who has the highest speed. I'd hoped this was just a JE thing for Droids but it's every single team.

I agree. I think speed shouldn't be on mods at all. But if the devs insist it should be then make it very small percentage increases instead of flat bonuses. I think it should be removed from mods entirely however. There is so very little strat in arena, best speed mods win.

An anti-speed character would be interesting, something like "gain % amount of stacking damage for every turn taken before this character's"

I think the mods ship has sailed.But we've aeen toons with buffs at the start of encounters, and Cassian and some Zetas buff the whole team at the start. So I wonder if we'll see toons that debuff at the start if encounters, possibly with speed down.

But speed down doesn't negate speed mods, if anything it makes them more valuable. Consider your hypothetical character against a team modded for speed vs. a team not modded for speed. Both teams will slow down, but the speed modded team will still be faster than the other.

I always love arguments about speed secondary stats on mods. if players have better speed mods = luck / RNGif players have worse speed mods = they didnt farm enough modsAnyway, speed isn't that bad anymore. You make it seem like we're back at that point where RNG decided who's Poe got the first turn. Atleast with mods you have some sort of influence.

Speed - Still the Bane of This Game

escorpion8888
8 years ago
I agree. I think speed shouldn't be on mods at all. But if the devs insist it should be then make it very small percentage increases instead of flat bonuses. I think it should be removed from mods entirely however. There is so very little strat in arena, best speed mods win.
Allenb60
8 years ago
An anti-speed character would be interesting, something like "gain % amount of stacking damage for every turn taken before this character's"
crzydroid
New Scout
8 years ago
I think the mods ship has sailed.

But we've aeen toons with buffs at the start of encounters, and Cassian and some Zetas buff the whole team at the start. So I wonder if we'll see toons that debuff at the start if encounters, possibly with speed down.
kello_511
8 years ago
But speed down doesn't negate speed mods, if anything it makes them more valuable.
Consider your hypothetical character against a team modded for speed vs. a team not modded for speed.
Both teams will slow down, but the speed modded team will still be faster than the other.
emvedebe
8 years ago
I always love arguments about speed secondary stats on mods.
if players have better speed mods = luck / RNG
if players have worse speed mods = they didnt farm enough mods

Anyway, speed isn't that bad anymore. You make it seem like we're back at that point where RNG decided who's Poe got the first turn. Atleast with mods you have some sort of influence.
Joseirimia
8 years ago
One easy fix would have been to make speed mods as a percentage, and not an absolute value increase. But, as mentioned before, now is too late to revert that.
Another fix, is something I propose long ago, the higher the speed the less precise a toon is (decreasing potency, damage, having higher chance of being dodged...): increasing speed will be desirable to a certain point, but beyond that, the negative effects will overcome the benefits (imagine a bell-shaped curve with speed in the x-axis and benefits in the y-axis). So speed is still desirable, but will be strategically challenging to figure out the best combination.
GaidalCain_WOT
8 years ago
Speed can be frustrating at the top end because there are some characters you just can't outspeed.

In general, however, speed secondaries give you an ability to control your team in ways just not possible without.

I run a bounty hunter team and regularly beat teams (even Wiggs teams) with 7-10k more power than my own squad largely because of how I've modded my toons. And that is on my F2P account and simply farming 5DOT health mods.

I can easily get top 50 even though my average gear level is 8. I'm going against mostly G10 squads and still holding my own even on defense (I usually drop to mid 70's overnight).
NyKynoe
8 years ago
"Gaidal_Cain;874911" wrote:

In general, however, speed secondaries give you an ability to control your team in ways just not possible without.

this^^

Didn't realize how much I love setting up my turn order to match what I want to happen until I lost that control in ships
PremierVenoth
8 years ago
Mods have been great. Before them everyone that maxed, say, Darth Vader has the exact same Toon. Now Speed is probably the best, but Potency is viable. Tenacity on Poe with the new resistance rework (not really arena material, but still.)

I want more way to customize, TBH.
Nikka488
8 years ago
I think they should just remove speed secondaries or cap them at like 12 personally. When you get to the top (Top 10 in a dec'15 arena shard) the difference between winning and losing is simply speed. Yes RNG sometimes comes into play. I farm mods daily & have never gotten anything higher than a +16 secondary and it's my only one. I have no idea where people get secondary speed mods to have 291 speed TFP (Yes I have one in my shard). Just to give you an idea my arena shard averages: 260+ Boba's, 266-291 TFP, etc....