Speed secondaries

Speed has become THE stat to have. Nothing else is interesting when you grind mods. For me, it's completely stupid and makes abilities of any toons at a second level. I find really weird that a characters having 120 basic speed can have 250 or more of final speed, without TM manipulation.

As you mentioned, it's OK to have a primary at 30, but secondary speed should really be limited to 10 to have a max bonus of 80 speed and do not have any speed secondary on a speed primary module.

"Check_It;91200" wrote:
What has really bothered me lately is how high the speed secondaries are. I ran into a gentlemen who has a speed secondary of +22. TWENTY-TWO. My speed arrow mod has +30 on a primary. In what universe does that make sense to have a secondary that's just as high as a primary?

You didn't mean that literally, right? Because it's only 73.33% of a 30 primary. Question, did you lose against the player (that gentleman may be a lady)?

Synergies, characters used, gear level and most of other stats matter a lot less compared to Speed stats of the Characters you are fighting against currently.
My team; Palp (L) - Vader - Tie Pilot - Boba - Shoretrooper (Still low star so switching with RG based on battle) all G10 and above average mods.
When I switched to this team my Tie Pilot had 203 Speed, I directly fell to 50's on Arena.
5 days later I increased TFP's speed to 244 and all of a sudden I was beating every Zader / Zeta Maul / GK / Zeta Barriss - Zeta Qui Gon / Chirrut-Baze teams that maxed out everything (G11, and crazy good mods on all), as long as their speed doesn't surpass my TFP's.. Currently I am top 1-3 for the last whole week.. Even when I am defending I don't fall below 15.. (My Server is not a very old one, 85 level came the week everyone hit 80)
PS: Ironic part is while beating all those crazy Whale teams, and defending against them on most battles, a G9-10 geared, terribly modded Lando lead Wiggs team that apparently invested everything he has got on speed just for his Biggs can beat me easily if I don't use my 4 Star Shoretrooper. Since his Biggs have just 1 point more into his speed with Lando Lead and Wiggs speed buff than my TFP lol..

"Tharivol;888391" wrote:

5 days later I increased TFP's speed to 244 and all of a sudden I was beating every Zader / Zeta Maul / GK / Zeta Barriss - Zeta Qui Gon / Chirrut-Baze

PS: Ironic part is while beating all those crazy Whale teams

The only whale team you quote is Chaze, and even still Baze can be gotten now by a f2p'er that spends all his crystal income on Baze shards. All of the other teams are f2p characters now (and all except maul have been f2p for a very long time). The term "whale" gets thrown around too often on this forum with negative connotations. And I say that as somebody that has never spent a dime on this game.

"SnakesOnAPlane;888314" wrote:


You didn't mean that literally, right? Because it's only 73.33% of a 30 primary. Question, did you lose against the player (that gentleman may be a lady)?

Don't hop on the "did you assume his gender?" train so quick.. I speak with the top 15 on my server through line and yes it's a gentlemen. That's why I specified.

Also, of course I didn't mean literally. Even a first grader knows that 22 does not equal 30. Don't get all knit-pickey to seem more intelligent and high and mighty. You know exactly how I meant.

"Maegor;888543" wrote:

"Tharivol;888391" wrote:

5 days later I increased TFP's speed to 244 and all of a sudden I was beating every Zader / Zeta Maul / GK / Zeta Barriss - Zeta Qui Gon / Chirrut-Baze

PS: Ironic part is while beating all those crazy Whale teams

The only whale team you quote is Chaze, and even still Baze can be gotten now by a f2p'er that spends all his crystal income on Baze shards. All of the other teams are f2p characters now (and all except maul have been f2p for a very long time). The term "whale" gets thrown around too often on this forum with negative connotations. And I say that as somebody that has never spent a dime on this game.

If you look at their rosters and their mods, you can clearly see that they are indeed whales. Being whale is not just about the Characters you got. Seeing a 4000 Crystal mod and buying it without hesitation is the definition of Whale. And at my Server's current standing if you have 91 characters unlocked, around 70 (66 to be more precise) of them at 7* and G9+, most of them modded with unspeakable Speed mods you can guess as well.
(There is simply not enough Cantina Energy to spend on Mods to get "that" much A-B quality Speed mods, again speaking for the Server I'm in)
And one of those top 10 people were on my Guild 4-5 months ago and I know how much money he was spending)
And overall "that's" not even the subject here. No one said anything bad about your precious Whales mate. Let's try not to stray away from the subject, shall we?

I ran into a team during galactic war last night with speed mods that blew my mind. I took screen shots I was so baffled (and can upload if requested). He placed this on Darth Nihilus:

Speed Set:
MKV-A Speed Transmitter: +19 speed
MKV-A Speed Processor: +15 speed
MKV-A Speed Data-bus: +15 speed
MKV-A Speed Receiver: +30 speed primary
MKV-A Health Holo-Array: +25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! speed
MKV-A Tenacity Multiplexer: +20!!!!!!! speed

I had come across folks with +15 and even +18, but this person had a +25 speed secondary on a triangle and a +20 on a cross? Seriously? I've never seen anything like this in my shop and the best I've come across simming is a +13.

I wondered if this was a hacked account. Maybe a Dev can comment on the upper ceiling value for a speed secondary.

25 is the highest speed secondary for a 5 dot mod.

"Riloc;c-888306" wrote:

"BulYwif;888190" wrote:

As you mentioned, it's OK to have a primary at 30, but secondary speed should really be limited to 10 to have a max bonus of 80 speed and do not have any speed secondary on a speed primary module.

But, the problem doesn't go away. You still end up with the people having max speed on all mods being better (faster) than the ones that don't. Whether it's 10, 5 or +1, the haves will beat the have nots. It doesn't matter what the value on it is. Speed in general should just be done away with. Or bring up another stat to help combat it some how. Back before mods, they could easily tweak people (Poe) to combat speed problems in the meta. Now it's completely random, so there's no knob to tune.

It absolutely does matter though. Speed is out of proportion with the rest of the game. It's ridiculous that some people can gain 120 speed through mods. That's pretty much doubling a characters speed. The problem is you can't double a characters offense. Or defense. Bring speed into balance and these crazy secondaries aren't a problem.

"Check_It;d-91200" wrote:
I've been in the game since Nov of 15 so I'm not new to the game at all. I've been through the horrendous droid Poe meta, the weird key cards, the outreygeousness and so on so forth. The game is never perfect and I'm TOTALLY ok with that. I love it anyway. I've seen the game change because of the feedback we offer, so, I have faith in that system.

This is one more genuine post for feedback. I know the meta is speed now. Makes sense in a turn meter game. I'm okay with that. And honestly I don't mind it because with the addition of more powerful characters and zetas and synergies... the game has expanded a lot. I think that's great.

What has really bothered me lately is how high the speed secondaries are. I ran into a gentlemen who has a speed secondary of +22. TWENTY-TWO. My speed arrow mod has +30 on a primary. In what universe does that make sense to have a secondary that's just as high as a primary? Not to mention all of his other mods (and everyone else in the top 10 for that matter) have +17, +14, +19 all on secondaries. Speed secondaries are fine but is there any possible way to at least make the secondaries a bit more reasonable and acceptable?

Was it me? Lol I have a 22 speed secondary on my pilot or Rex can't remember